The Holy Spirit - Page 3

BlaznFattyz · 10-15-2006, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Jay

Mee, what Bible are you using? I am looking at Gen. 1:2 in five English translations and not one uses the term "God's active force."

i know huh.

moseslmpg · 10-15-2006, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FLOWERGIRL

So the active force is eternal just like God almighty is?

Technically, no, but in an absolute sense, yes.

Hey, what is so wrong with the Holy Spirit being an active force? I personally think it is presented as such. Would you rather have it a passive force, or is it the force that offends?

pattimax · 10-15-2006, 03:20 AM

The Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity. (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.)

moseslmpg · 10-15-2006, 04:02 AM

Yes, I don't think anyone is disputing that.

pattimax · 10-15-2006, 04:40 AM

Well yes, I suppose not. So the Holy Spirit is uncreated and eternal.

mee · 10-15-2006, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Jay

Mee, what Bible are you using? I am looking at Gen. 1:2 in five English translations and not one uses the term "God's active force."

Here is the second part of that verse as rendered in these five versions:

KJV: And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

New Revised Standard Version: while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

The New American Bible: while a mighty wind swept over the waters.

The Revised Standard Version: and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.

The New Living Translation: And the Spirit of God was hovering over its surface.

yes , the spirit is the active force of God,knowing what the spirit is aids to accurate understanding. it is invisible and as some translations make known it is like the wind ,force in motion

pattimax · 10-16-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

yes , the spirit is the active force of God,knowing what the spirit is aids to accurate understanding. it is invisible and as some translations make known it is like the wind ,force in motion

Yes, in Genesis the Holy Spirit is an active force. (Electricity, fuel, wind, etc...) But as you develop a relationship, learn, and pray, this force takes on a unique and profound personality.
NRSV John 16
13When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own, but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14He will glorify me, because he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

NKJV John
13However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.

The Holy Spirit has an extremely wonderful personality. Please, please, please don't try to sanitize it. Just look at what it produces.

Galatians 5
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

I completely agree with the need for an accurate understanding.

moseslmpg · 10-16-2006, 06:14 PM

I don't think mee ever said it wasn't a personality, at least that's not the feeling I got. What I got is the the Holy Spirit is God, but in His active aspect. So God says "let there be light" and the Holy Spirit flips the lightswitch, God says "separate the waters (or whatever He actually said)" and the Holy Spirit does so, yet all the while remaining God as well.

BlaznFattyz · 10-16-2006, 06:44 PM

The New Testament is filled with examples of the Holy Spirit’s personal attributes, such as thinking, speaking, guiding, hearing, loving, and willing, just to name a few.

moseslmpg · 10-16-2006, 09:44 PM

Well, that makes sense doesn't it, being that the Holy Spirit is God as well.

BlaznFattyz · 10-17-2006, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by moseslmpg

Well, that makes sense doesn't it, being that the Holy Spirit is God as well.

sometimes the more simple, less-wordy, straight to the point explanations are the best.
How's this one... this holy spirit is the Holy Spirit of God.

mee · 10-17-2006, 11:13 AM

In the Scriptures it is not unusual for something to be personified. Wisdom is said to have children. (Luke 7:35) Sin and death are called kings. (Romans 5:14, 21) At Genesis 4:7 The New English Bible (NE) says: "Sin is a demon crouching at the door," personifying sin as a wicked spirit crouching at Cain’s door. But, of course, sin is not a spirit person; nor does personifying the holy spirit make it a spirit person.
At Matthew 28:19 reference is made to "the name . . . of the holy spirit." But the word "name" does not always mean a personal name, either in Greek or in English. When we say "in the name of the law," we are not referring to a person. We mean that which the law stands for, its authority. Robertson’s Word Pictures in the New Testament says: "The use of name (onoma) here is a common one in the Septuagint and the papyri for power or authority." So baptism ‘in the name of the holy spirit’ recognizes the authority of the spirit, that it is from God and functions by divine will.

Quahom1 · 10-17-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mee

In the Scriptures it is not unusual for something to be personified. Wisdom is said to have children. (Luke 7:35) Sin and death are called kings. (Romans 5:14, 21) At Genesis 4:7 The New English Bible (NE) says: "Sin is a demon crouching at the door," personifying sin as a wicked spirit crouching at Cain’s door. But, of course, sin is not a spirit person; nor does personifying the holy spirit make it a spirit person.
At Matthew 28:19 reference is made to "the name . . . of the holy spirit." But the word "name" does not always mean a personal name, either in Greek or in English. When we say "in the name of the law," we are not referring to a person. We mean that which the law stands for, its authority. Robertson’s Word Pictures in the New Testament says: "The use of name (onoma) here is a common one in the Septuagint and the papyri for power or authority." So baptism ‘in the name of the holy spirit’ recognizes the authority of the spirit, that it is from God and functions by divine will.

sorry dude. There are over 100 specific points where the Holy Spirit is specifically stated to have personification (that is to say, a personality,character), not a "holy force". Water can be a holy force to the ones it benefits, as can wind, or an earth quake.

edit: I just realized what you were pointing out, that is the spirits of deceipt. Or 'demons' if you will. They too have character and personality. They are real spirits, that we wish to avoid. In fact, the Bible tells us at one point there were so many in one man that they identified themselves as "Legion" (for we are many).

So, why would one down play or denounce the viability of the Holy Spirit of God, if in fact there are spirits of antithapy?

edit: just curious of your point of view, I should add.

Faithfulservant · 10-17-2006, 12:33 PM

mee...my questions is... how can you blaspheme the Holy Spirit.. or grieve the Holy Spirit if its not a person???

Dor · 10-17-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Jay

Mee, what Bible are you using? I am looking at Gen. 1:2 in five English translations and not one uses the term "God's active force."

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