The Nephilim Race

[OtownPR]

Originally Posted by Nogodnomasters

I read the 12th Planet as a child and that is where that stuff remains. Just because the ancients thought the planets were gods doesn't mean they were aliens.

Ok, well just the fact that they knew in 2500 bc that there were planets beyond Saturn in the first place, knew the color of Uranus MASH.SIG "bright greenish" (not found till 1781 and first seen in color in 1986) and discribed Neptune as KAKKAB SHANAMMA "Planet which is the double" of Uranus (found in 1846 first seen up close by Voyager 2 in 1989). Uranus being described first since coming from the outside of the solar system inward Uranus would be the first of the two planets encountered.

Heck if you want to ignore that the Sumerians knew we were on a spherical world, that alone should have people thinking. There is plenty of information out there that point to ancient astronauts not just Sitchin but hey, it would be a start to reread The 12th Planet if you want but he does have other books in his Earth Chronicles.

I wasn't even a thought when the 12th Planet came out but maybe my parents read it to me while I was in the womb. lol.

Bless.

[I, Brian]

The trouble with a lot of the "astronaut" theories attributed to the Sumerians is that they seem to be very widely interpreted from otherwise inoccuous sources - ie, that the translation of the specifics being argued are very forced and not accepted by people outside of Sitchin's arguments. People who have made academic study of the Sumerians do not appear to support the translations being offered.

But, as before, I really don't want to see this turn into a Niburu thread (or Dogon, Daniken, etc etc) because Sitchin is a very small part of a much wider and more interesting puzzle. We've made reference, but ideally we need to get back to referencing Enoch and related writings for discussion of the Nephilim.

[Nogodnomasters]

Scholars contend Nibruru was just another for Jupiter. Go figure.

[OtownPR]

Ok, how do people see Gilgamesh being named in the Book of Giants of the Dead Sea Scrols as one of the Nephilim related to ancient times?

Bless.

[Rouge47]

Not sure but I do know that the nephilim were mentioned in the scrolls.

[OtownPR]

Noone knows that Enoch mentions Gilgamesh as one of the Nephilim?

All but one of Enoch's writtings were found among the Scrolls but also to the scholars' surprise an addition to his writtings were found "The Book of Giants" or "The Book of The Nephilim" where Enoch describes that 200 Nephilim came down and one was Gilgamesh.

In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh looks for his great-grandfather Utnapishtim/Noah because he found out he was "part divine" and Gilgamesh felt he shouldn't have to die a mortal's death, so he asks Utnapishtim/Noah how he could become immortal like him.

Bless.

[Rouge47]

Originally Posted by OtownPR

Noone knows that Enoch mentions Gilgamesh as one of the Nephilim?

All but one of Enoch's writtings were found among the Scrolls but also to the scholars' surprise an addition to his writtings were found "The Book of Giants" or "The Book of The Nephilim" where Enoch describes that 200 Nephilim came down and one was Gilgamesh.

In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh looks for his great-grandfather Utnapishtim/Noah because he found out he was "part divine" and Gilgamesh felt he shouldn't have to die a mortal's death, so he asks Utnapishtim/Noah how he could become immortal like him.

Bless.

Noah was immortal!? I thought he was just another human being who lived a good life in a world between life and death (heaven and hell).

God Bless

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Paul James

Noah was immortal!? I thought he was just another human being who lived a good life in a world between life and death (heaven and hell).

God Bless

Unless readers here are discounting biblical history (which would be an oxymoron), the following is accurate: Genesis 9:29
And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years:
and he died.

Not much immortal about that...

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[OtownPR]

Of course living 950 years is very normal. What was Gilgamesh thinking? Immortality is only if you live,,, Forever?

Earlier stories of a person being told to build an ark to survive a flood involved multiple deities, one causing/knowing of an impeading flood and another that told the person to build the ark.

The point is does it make sense to look at earlier writtings that parellel later writtings which would be closer (relativly speaking I guess I should express) to the event that they have written about.

I thought I was doing that as I, Brian has said would bring this topic back on track by mentioning Enoch's DSS writtings but I hope it's ok for me to have gone into a little history of the flood story which I believe involved the Nephilim.

Bless.

[Nogodnomasters]

Originally Posted by OtownPR

Of course living 950 years is very normal. What was Gilgamesh thinking? Immortality is only if you live,,, Forever?

Earlier stories of a person being told to build an ark to survive a flood involved multiple deities, one causing/knowing of an impeading flood and another that told the person to build the ark.

The point is does it make sense to look at earlier writtings that parellel later writtings which would be closer (relativly speaking I guess I should express) to the event that they have written about.

I thought I was doing that as I, Brian has said would bring this topic back on track by mentioning Enoch's DSS writtings but I hope it's ok for me to have gone into a little history of the flood story which I believe involved the Nephilim.

Bless.

The flood story does NOT appear in the original Gilgamish epic, it was added at a later date. Gilgamish simply builds a stele to ensure his immortality.

Thus Gilgamish's relationship to any flood and Nephilim was most likely manufactured by ancient authors.

[OtownPR]

Originally Posted by Nogodnomasters

The flood story does NOT appear in the original Gilgamish epic, it was added at a later date. Gilgamish simply builds a stele to ensure his immortality.

Thus Gilgamish's relationship to any flood and Nephilim was most likely manufactured by ancient authors.

The Epic of Gilgamesh consist of twelve tablets, the 12th being the tablet that scholars believe was added later because in the first 11 tablets a character name Enkidu dies and in the 12th he's alive again. Scholars think the 12th tablet was a sequel to the first 11 tablet story, Utnipishtim explains the events of the flood to Gilgamesh in tablet 11.

If you have a link or author that expresses a different viewpoint of the Epic of Gilgamesh please post it I would love to read it.

The whole issue with Gilgamesh is that he found out he was of "divine" blood, in ancient Mesopotamia that would have been the Anunnaki (those from Heaven to Earth came) who mated with Humans, for the Greeks that would have been the Olympic gods which also said to have mated with humans down the line to the Hebrew Torah which have the Nephilim (those from Heaven to Earth fell) or as popularly known as The Fallen Ones as who mated with humans.

The Sumerian depicted the Anunnaki allot of the times with wings, evolving through time to become the flying angels of the Bible. But the Sumerians never depicted them in flight with their wings being used for flight more like a decoration or rank identification sort of like how a military would clip wings on a soldier.

Bless.

[Nogodnomasters]

Originally Posted by OtownPR

The Epic of Gilgamesh consist of twelve tablets, the 12th being the tablet that scholars believe was added later because in the first 11 tablets a character name Enkidu dies and in the 12th he's alive again. Scholars think the 12th tablet was a sequel to the first 11 tablet story, Utnipishtim explains the events of the flood to Gilgamesh in tablet 11.

If you have a link or author that expresses a different viewpoint of the Epic of Gilgamesh please post it I would love to read it.

The whole issue with Gilgamesh is that he found out he was of "divine" blood, in ancient Mesopotamia that would have been the Anunnaki (those from Heaven to Earth came) who mated with Humans, for the Greeks that would have been the Olympic gods which also said to have mated with humans down the line to the Hebrew Torah which have the Nephilim (those from Heaven to Earth fell) or as popularly known as The Fallen Ones as who mated with humans.

The Sumerian depicted the Anunnaki allot of the times with wings, evolving through time to become the flying angels of the Bible. But the Sumerians never depicted them in flight with their wings being used for flight more like a decoration or rank identification sort of like how a military would clip wings on a soldier.

Bless.

There was far more added to the story than just the 12th tablet. See the "Evolution of the Gilgamish Epic" by Jeffry Tigay. This is a respected scholarly work on the topic. The flood story existed as early as 1400 BCE, but was not in the 2200 BCE version of the tale.

[OtownPR]

Originally Posted by Nogodnomasters

There was far more added to the story than just the 12th tablet. See the "Evolution of the Gilgamish Epic" by Jeffry Tigay. This is a respected scholarly work on the topic. The flood story existed as early as 1400 BCE, but was not in the 2200 BCE version of the tale.

Oh, I thought you were talking about an AD addition conspiracy. Well with the Akkadian AtraHasis (written no later than 1700bc) at least 1400bc for the Gilgamesh Epic sounds possible, either way if we are argueing about flood accounts before the bible there are a couple of sources that point to the root being in Sumer; 1) Late Sumerian Akkadian AtraHasis 2) The Eridu Genesis (Ziusudra) plus the Sumerian Kingslist where Kingship was first lowered down from Heaven and then Kingship was lowered again after "The Flood".

If we are still talking about connecting the Dead Sea Scroll text with more ancient sources it's right there in the DSS, Enoch identifies Gilgamesh as one of the Nephilim in Aramiac predating the Ethiopic texts thus connecting them not only to the biblical writings but also to more ancient days:

Gilgamesh in his Epic says he was part "Divine", farther back Gilgamesh is listed in the Sumerian Kingslist.

It's all there in front we just have to accept the connections.

Bless.

[Sean]

A bit more info The nephili were real and flourished in turkey in biblical times they were thought to be extinct but repopulated the last nephili was destroyed in turkey and burried in early 300 bc or so

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Sean

A bit more info The nephili were real and flourished in turkey in biblical times they were thought to be extinct but repopulated the last nephili was destroyed in turkey and burried in early 300 bc or so

Now that kind of information I would very much like to see! That would be fantastic!

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