The Return of an unfamiliar Jesus?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Darwin we thank you!

When we view the exquisite loveliness found throughout this wondrous earth, surely we must exclaim: "How many your works are, O Jehovah! All of them in wisdom you have made. The earth is full of your productions."—Psalm 104:24.


"Your word is truth."—JOHN 17:17.

[Dawud]

I've read somewhere that Jesus wouldn't be Catholic enough for the Catholics, nor Lutheran enough for the Lutherans. He wouldn't be Orthodox enough for the Orthodox nor Anglican enough for the Anglicans, etc. But I think it's bigger than that.... He wasn't Muslim enough for the Muslims, Christian enough for the Christians, Jewish enough for the Jews, Hindu enough for the Hindus, Buddhist enough for the Buddhists. Yes, I believe He already returned.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Dawud

I've read somewhere that Jesus wouldn't be Catholic enough for the Catholics, nor Lutheran enough for the Lutherans. He wouldn't be Orthodox enough for the Orthodox nor Anglican enough for the Anglicans, etc. But I think it's bigger than that.... He wasn't Muslim enough for the Muslims, Christian enough for the Christians, Jewish enough for the Jews, Hindu enough for the Hindus, Buddhist enough for the Buddhists. Yes, I believe He already returned.

To say he wouldn't endorse any particular religion, is correct (save the caring for widows and orphans). To say he is already returned, true. He never really left. I mean, Jesus bodilly rose up and away, and the Holy Spirit arrived (and hasn't left since). We call it the "pentacost"...

[mee]

After a cloud caught Jesus up from the disciples’ vision, the angels said:

"This Jesus who was received up from you into the sky will come thus in the same manner as you have beheld him going into the sky."—Acts 1:9-11.

Jesus’ departure was observed only by his loyal followers.
there was no public display the world in general was not even aware of what had occurred.

The same would be true when Christ returned in Kingdom power.
(John 14:19) Only his faithful anointed disciples would discern his royal presence.

Even before 1914, a small band of anointed Christians began to grasp important truths about the Lord’s return. For instance, they discerned that it would be invisible, as implied by the two angels who appeared in 33 C.E. to the disciples while Jesus was ascending to heaven.

its all happening in the last days






And it had a profound effect on them, culminating in the gathering of millions who would become Jesus’ earthly subjects.—Revelation 7:9, 14.

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by Dawud

[COLOR=blue]I've read somewhere that Jesus wouldn't be Catholic enough for the Catholics ...

John Henry Newman, as an Anglican clergyman, began a book entitled "Essays in Defence of Christian Doctrine" ... it took him ten years to write, and half way through he converted to Catholicism.

At one point he noted that if the Early Christians came back to day, the only expression of faith they would recognise as close to their own was Catholic.

Archaelogical evidence of the recent past has uncovered much of what has been lost for centuries, and notably has provided concrete evidence that many of the affirmations of the Reformation, on liturgical practice for example, were quite simply wrong, and are no longer tenable. Unlikely to change anything, though ...

Thomas

[Dawud]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

To say he wouldn't endorse any particular religion, is correct (save the caring for widows and orphans). To say he is already returned, true. He never really left. I mean, Jesus bodilly rose up and away, and the Holy Spirit arrived (and hasn't left since). We call it the "pentacost"...

God is always with us.

You know how in the New Testament Jesus explains that Elijah did return, that John the Baptist was that return of Elijah? John the Baptist himself said that he wasn't Elijah, but Jesus said that John was Elijah. What that means to me is the return of the attributes, the quality and character of Elijah, not the same individual. I believe it's the same with the return of Christ. I believe He has a new name, and came as a thief in the night. He wrote to the leaders of the world, to the kings and emperors. After they ignored Him, they lost all their empires.

[Dawud]

Originally Posted by Thomas

John Henry Newman, as an Anglican clergyman, began a book entitled "Essays in Defence of Christian Doctrine" ... it took him ten years to write, and half way through he converted to Catholicism.

I have a good friend who was Catholic. She still loves Catholicism but is now a Baha'i.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

To say he wouldn't endorse any particular religion, is correct (save the caring for widows and orphans). To say he is already returned, true. He never really left. I mean, Jesus bodilly rose up and away, and the Holy Spirit arrived (and hasn't left since). We call it the "pentacost"...

Isn't there also a Pagan celebration at the same time as the Pentecost?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Isn't there also a Pagan celebration at the same time as the Pentecost?

Don't know. And your point is?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Isn't there also a Pagan celebration at the same time as the Pentecost?

PENTECOST

A name used in the Christian Greek Scriptures to denote the Festival of Harvest (Ex 23:16) or Festival of Weeks (Ex 34:22), called also "the day of the first ripe fruits." (Nu 28:26)

Instructions for this festival are found at Leviticus 23:15-21; Numbers 28:26-31; Deuteronomy 16:9-12.

It was to be celebrated on the 50th day (Pentecost means "Fiftieth [Day]") from Nisan 16, the day that the barley sheaf was offered. (Le 23:15, 16) In the Jewish calendar it falls on Sivan 6.

It was after the barley harvest and the beginning of the harvest of wheat, which ripened later than the barley.—Ex 9:31, 32.

Symbolic Significance of the Festival.

It was on the day of Pentecost that the holy spirit was poured out by Jesus Christ on the group of about 120 disciples in the upper room at Jerusalem in the year 33 C.E. (Ac 1:13-15)

Jesus had been resurrected on Nisan 16, the day of the offering of the barley sheaf by the high priest.

He was, in a figurative sense, without leaven, which represents sin. (Heb 7:26)

At Pentecost, as the great High Priest, he could present to his Father Jehovah additional spiritual sons, Jesus’ footstep followers, who were taken from sinful mankind and who accepted his sacrifice.

The approval by God of Jesus’ own human sacrifice and of Jesus’ presentation of his disciples (although born in sin) to be spiritual sons of God was manifested by the pouring out of God’s spirit upon them.

The fact that there were two loaves of newly ripened grain that were presented to Jehovah at Pentecost indicates that more than one person would be involved in the fulfillment.

It may also point to the fact that those who become spirit-begotten followers of Jesus Christ would be taken from two groups on earth: First from the natural circumcised Jews, and later from all the other nations of the world, the Gentiles.—Compare Eph 2:13-18.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by mee

When we view the exquisite loveliness found throughout this wondrous earth, surely we must exclaim: "How many your works are, O Jehovah! All of them in wisdom you have made. The earth is full of your productions."—Psalm 104:24.


"Your word is truth."—JOHN 17:17.

SO do you think without Darwin, you could understand the truth of evolution?

Or better still, was Darwin of God's world?

Then since we know the term 'evolution' was prepared and published within the context of Darwin's research, then as being a part of God, then is it possible that you may not understand God?

That it is your choice 'not to understand' than of God which is easy to see as a selfish predetermination of both you and the faith you promote.

Meaning; the word evolved just as knowledge evolves and since the words of knowledge evolve within the term of man's comprehension; the there are pure grounds to comprehend..........

ALL WORDS ARE THE CREATION OF MANKIND; within existence (God).

Is the truth; kind of unfamiliar to you?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Is the truth; kind of unfamiliar to you?

the truth of Gods word is very familiar to mee and it is the bible
It claims to be a lamp to guide one’s path.—Ps. 119:105.


For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope romans 15;4

and it is very good

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by mee

the truth of Gods word is very familiar to mee and it is the bible

Before the nicene council or afterwards?

WHich bible? Specifically? And in which language is your choice of interpretations?

It claims to be a lamp to guide one’s path.—Ps. 119:105.

A song claims, 'it claims to be a light'........ ?

well the truth is of light...... but I am looking for the 'it' to be the same definition of the bible you are to define as true.

...... the post or prior nicene creed, language and version of course..... under the definition of 'it' .... is what we are looking for.

Show us the book JC himself endorsed

For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope romans 15;4

and it is very good

Hope is all you get in beliefs of magic. Beliefs in the words defined of selfish men; like a council of religious preachers with lots of alter boys.

Truth is what you get from him who hath understanding. But no magic, no people on clouds waving magic wands 'undoing sins' and all them platapus's have a description in evolution and the children of the future have reasoned choice as promised by most every religion on earth.

Simply the 'unfamiliar' recognitition is based on your choice and lack of integrity with yourself, God and Jesus Christ himself!

You choose to retain the faith as you are taught from men, rather than allow your conscious awareness of existence (GOD) lead you into understanding of the truth.

Simply if the 'return' was in direct contact, what would you expect?

[mee]

[quote=Bishadi;149894]

Truth is what you get from him who hath understanding. quote] luke 9;35


yes indeed
John 3;16-17



Knowledge of the Most Holy One is what understanding is

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by mee

Knowledge of the Most Holy One is what understanding is

then you know this Mark 10

17And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'


18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

19the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'

20And he answering said to him, `Teacher, all these did I keep from my youth.'
21And Jesus having looked upon him, did love him, and said to him, `One thing thou dost lack; go away, whatever thou hast -- sell, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven, and come, be following me, having taken up the cross.'



and what is the cross (electric and magnetic fields at perpendicular planes)

LIGHT!


And if light is life; to teach is continuing the light!

But the issue is only one thing; the teachings must be true! No beliefs, no magic, no omnipotence as to lean or use these is a 'loss to the common' (bad) and not of God: the total!

Jesus himself on this quoted piece did not have the first 4 commandments; did you notice this?

Meaning JC himself knew the humility is in what we do, not of faith!