The Return of an unfamiliar Jesus?

[Dawud]

The return of an unfamiliar Elijah....

Jesus was asked how He could be the Messiah if the return of Elijah hadn't happened yet. He said it did already happen... it was John the Baptist.

History repeats itself.

He came with a new name.

[Dream]

Dawud, I think you've got an interesting idea, however my opinion doesn't turn a single light red or green. Really, this could be asking for too much; but consider my point of view of Acts 1:11 in relation to this.

As you say, the Jewish authorities asked John the Baptist if he was Elijah, because he was baptizing. John said 'No'(John 1:21), and that was his official position on the subject, however Jesus said the John B. was Elijah, and so did Gabriel (Luke 1) -- if only in spirit and power. John B. walked in the spirit and power of Elijah in fulfillment of the prophecy at the end of Malachi chapter 4. This makes sense to me, since Elisha walked in the spirit of Elijah long ago, so there is a precedent for it. It says John the Baptist was sent from God, which is similar to saying that Elijah ascended to God, since he who can ascend has the stairs to descend and vice-versa.

In contrast with Elijah, Jesus is to return 'in like manner' to the way he left.(Acts 1:11), although he does not say this himself. It is spoken by angels to the apostles as Jesus is flying up into the air. Can we take this description of his ascension as physical, but consider his return to be non physical? Additionally, his ascension is better than Elijah's, so why should his return only be through someone else?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dawud

The return of an unfamiliar Elijah....

Jesus was asked how He could be the Messiah if the return of Elijah hadn't happened yet. He said it did already happen... it was John the Baptist.

History repeats itself.

He came with a new name.

Jesus has a new name since he was given great arthority only Jesus has that aurthority.Daniel 7;13-14

In Bible prophecy "a new name" can signify a new position or privilege.Revelation 2:17; 3:12.



The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine. Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’
revelation 3;12-13



His eyes are a fiery flame, and upon his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, revelation19;12

yes Jesus has been given great arthority and no one but Jesus was given it .Daniel 7;13-14


but Jesus will have his faithful ones who conquer with him

And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. revelation 14;1



To each conquering anointed one, Christ will grant the privilege of ‘sitting down with him on his throne, even as he conquered and sat down with his Father on His throne.

Yes, to the anointed conquerors, Jesus promises the grand reward of a throne with him at his Father’s right hand in heaven.


And the conquering other sheepJohn 10;16 look forward to a wonderful place on earth under Kingdom rule.


Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.
matthew 5;5

[mee]

[quote=Bishadi;149933]then you know this Mark 10

17And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'


18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

19the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'
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20And he answering said to him, `Teacher, all these did I keep from my youth.'
21And Jesus having looked upon him, did love him, and said to him, `One thing thou dost lack; go away, whatever thou hast -- sell, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven, and come, be following me, quote]



Indeed i do

And as he was going out on his way, a certain man ran up and fell upon his knees before him and put the question to him: "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?"

18 Jesus said to him: "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.


19 You know the commandments, ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’"

20 The man said to him: "Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth on."

21 Jesus looked upon him and felt love for him and said to him: "One thing is missing about you: Go, sell what things you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven, and come be my follower."


and not forgetting verse 22


22 But he grew sad at the saying and went off grieved, for he was holding many possessions.







Suddenly thrust upon the young ruler was a weighty decision.

What would he do?

Would he willingly give up material riches and become a follower of Jesus, or would he hold on to what he had?

Would he pursue treasures on earth, or would he seek treasures in heaven?

It must have been a difficult choice for him.

He was clearly interested in spiritual values, for he kept the Law and inquired what more he could do to win God’s favor.

His decision? He "went off grieved, for he was holding many possessions."Mark 10:22

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The young ruler’s decision was not wise. If he had become a faithful follower of Jesus, he could have received what he was searching for—everlasting life.

We are not told what happened to that young man.
We do know, however, that about four decades later, the Roman armies devastated Jerusalem and much of Judea. Many Jews lost both their riches and their lives.


In contrast with the young ruler, the apostle Peter and other disciples made a good choice.

They "left all things" and followed Jesus.

How that decision benefited them!
Jesus told them that they would receive many times more than what they left behind. Moreover, they would inherit everlasting life.

Theirs was a decision that they did not have to regret later.—Matthew 19:27-29.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by mee

Mark 10

17And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'


18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

So why does anyone call Jesus God?

Jesus states here 'no one is good, except one - God'

19the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'

Nothing here about humility to God, Just follow the rules......... nothing about 'spiritual'.... nor about honoring "HE" as god or begging for forgiveness of sins.......

He said 'follow the rules'

22 But he grew sad at the saying and went off grieved, for he was holding many possessions.



Suddenly thrust upon the young ruler was a weighty decision.

What would he do?

Would he willingly give up material riches and become a follower of Jesus, or would he hold on to what he had?

So that is a question to you; do you retain what foolishness of beliefs or are you ready to grow and evolve with true knowledge?

Would he pursue treasures on earth, or would he seek treasures in heaven?

This is heaven! You live in it now! The key is do you choose 'good' and live longer or do you retain what you have and die with it?

It must have been a difficult choice for him.

He was clearly interested in spiritual values, for he kept the Law and inquired what more he could do to win God’s favor.

win god's favor? Nothing of the sort in there about that. Nor the spiritual values? Seems you are kind of ad-libbing to the stories.

Are you a preacher; they tend to add words into a scripture; to keep the fibs alive.

In contrast with the young ruler, the apostle Peter and other disciples made a good choice.

They "left all things" and followed Jesus.

How that decision benefited them!
Jesus told them that they would receive many times more than what they left behind. Moreover, they would inherit everlasting life.

Theirs was a decision that they did not have to regret later.—Matthew 19:27-29.

So the question is what did they gain? Or the question defined specifically 'how that decision benefitted them.'

What is ever lasting life?

Let's see what you have learned.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by mee

Jesus has a new name since he was given great arthority only Jesus has that aurthority.Daniel 7;13-14

In Bible prophecy "a new name" can signify a new position or privilege.Revelation 2:17; 3:12.

New Person....

nothing in Daniel about Jesus.... that book is talking about a completely different guy.

The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine. Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’

revelation 3;12-13

New Jerusalem/ behind the Taos

Name; the final math.

His eyes are a fiery flame, and upon his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, revelation19;12

Kind of arrogant with truth upon the mind and the math is not for sale.

but Jesus will have his faithful ones who conquer with him

And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. revelation 14;1

The knowledge is upon their forheads and with the truth, each can judge equally. The reduced amount (only 144k) I believe must be the few who see before the war. as during it will be real ugly and why, 'stays in' Zion as no one would ever want to see what is coming.

To each conquering anointed one, Christ will grant the privilege of ‘sitting down with him on his throne, even as he conquered and sat down with his Father on His throne.

No throwns. No man deserves a thrown, nor does an 'undescribable' god sit on a thrown but them who see and know the truth shall have access to council. In which throughout history the words offered as gifts to the religions; most of the per se 'contributors' Mohammed, JC etc.... were never alive during the writings of the books that claim their prophet; but this time around, the words will make print before the physical death.

[Dawud]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

New Person....

nothing in Daniel about Jesus.... that book is talking about a completely different guy.

New Person, I agree. I believe the Return of Christ is a New Person. The return of the same Sun, the same Light, not the same individual, the same person.

[LeoSalinas22]

bishadi, can you elaborate more on these topics?

New Person....

nothing in Daniel about Jesus.... that book is talking about a completely different guy.

The knowledge is upon their forheads and with the truth, each can judge equally. The reduced amount (only 144k) I believe must be the few who see before the war. as during it will be real ugly and why, 'stays in' Zion as no one would ever want to see what is coming.

No thrones. No man deserves a throne, nor does an 'undescribable' god sit on a thrown but them who see and know the truth shall have access to council. In which throughout history the words offered as gifts to the religions; most of the per se 'contributors' Mohammed, JC etc.... were never alive during the writings of the books that claim their prophet; but this time around, the words will make print before the physical death.

hope to hear from you soon.

[Dream]

Just an aside that seems related to the topic:

One major problem mankind faces is that our life's span is relatively short so that positive innovations in one generation don't always get absorbed by the next. One question Jesus openly asked was "When the son of man comes, will he find faith in the earth?"

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

So why does anyone call Jesus God?

Jesus states here 'no one is good, except one - God'

He didnt call him God, he recognized that he was a good teacher, but Jesus knew that it was JEHOVAH that had taught Jesus well ,and he knew that the most high is the one to be kneeling down too.


Jesus was setting things straight and always put over the correct way


mee sticks to what the bible really teaches , Jesus is not God , but many have been misled by manmade trinity doctrines.

sticking to what the bible REALLY teaches means ACCURATE KNOWLEDGEjohn 17;3

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dream

Just an aside that seems related to the topic:

One major problem mankind faces is that our life's span is relatively short so that positive innovations in one generation don't always get absorbed by the next. One question Jesus openly asked was "When the son of man comes, will he find faith in the earth?"

So in answer to Jesus’ question, “When the Son of man arrives, will he really find the faith on the earth?” mee can confidently say, Indeed he will! (Luke 18:8) May mee hopefully prove to be among the many who daily demonstrate the value of a living faith!


even though Jesus is now a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom goverment since 1914 Daniel 7;13-14

he has yet in the future to seperate the sheep from the goats, and yes he will find the faith alive and active


so the question is ...... are we acting like a sheep or a goat are we doing what Jesus wants now ,or are we digging our heels in like a goat.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Dawud

New Person, I agree. I believe the Return of Christ is a New Person. The return of the same Sun, the same Light, not the same individual, the same person.

WOW! Another real one!

Far and in between; be them of integrity.

Correct, the next per se 'dude' is of the same 'light' soul, compassion, love, kindness and intent to 'do' rather than simply believe, kind of guy; all the same a life within this 'existence' called God; but a man.

No different than any, just with a chip on his shoulder that nothing can stop the truth from existing for the tomorrow. Not a religion, a government nor institution can own what each try to control; the knowledge.

It is for everybody; free! and to see the good news, maybe to continue the knowledge is good for all? Maybe to begin the children with pure truths, then as they grow, the compassion of Love and God in truth can overcome the corruption of secularizations.

It seems it's a good time to learn.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by mee

He didnt call him God, he recognized that he was a good teacher, but Jesus knew that it was JEHOVAH that had taught Jesus well ,and he knew that the most high is the one to be kneeling down too.


Jesus was setting things straight and always put over the correct way


mee sticks to what the bible really teaches , Jesus is not God ,

You are the first JW i have ever come into contact with who could say (write) what you did.

WOW! A real good start being able to share that in open public! As what you thereby have done is bring equality to all teachers of knowledge. Which is like having appreciation to all of God's children rather than retain focus to one interpretation that can build an inert isolation if allowed.

but many have been misled by manmade trinity doctrines.

As even in the Hindu, many a trinities exist as well and although there is a trinity that combines a pure rendition, the statement made is quite true; doctrine can misled.

sticking to what the bible REALLY teaches means ACCURATE KNOWLEDGEjohn 17;3

Another quality statement!

But having faith in God (jehovah) is having faith in existence. So to honor existence than we must observe what many flavors of understanding (knowledge) God shares. Then in combining many frames represented, then the truth reveals itself.

And you know as well as any; 'in the beginning there was light'

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

bishadi, can you elaborate more on these topics?




hope to hear from you soon.

will open a thread for this,

Peace to you

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

You are the first JW i have ever come into contact with who could say (write) what you did.

why ?
All Jehovahs witnesses know that Jesus isnt God ,and they all know from the bible that Jesus himself never taught that he was God, he taught that he was God son