The Self-Sacrifice of Jesus

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by flowperson

To clarify things Chris, it should be noted that the sacrificial altar was outside the temple in the courtyard and was never inside the temple building even when it was a tent tabernacle in the desert way before Solomon. Other more sacred and secret stuff went on inside the buildings when they were built, one in Jerusalem and two in Egypt (only one of the Egyptian temples had sacrifices).

flow....

Right! Well, the sacrifice system meant an ongoing barbeque for the priests and temple mucky-mucks. Plus they made a good buck off the money changing racket. Who knows what was really going on inside.

Chris

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

[/B]I like this. It makes sense. So, I can dig the Golden Rule philosophy, and I can enjoy the concept of the Logos-Christ and all the nifty ways it works out with the other stuff I'm thinking about, but I can dispense with the original sin and blood sacrifice concepts that make no sense to me.

O.K., problem solved. Good. Of course, that leaves me with absolutely no incentive to participate in organized Chrstianity, but that's pretty much where I'm at anyway.

Chris

Well, if a blood sacrifice is the only thing you think makes Christianity valid and you reject the idea of blood sacrifice, yeah, you're pretty much going to reject Christianity.

But a blood sacrifice has never been part of my beliefs...as I said in my first post the idea of self-sacrifice...the Incarnation itself...is what I find meaningful. There are lots of fancy theologies about the cross, some I talked about above. I'm far from a scholar...these are just things I've come across in readings that I find interesting and informative. However, I know I am far from the only person to think that it's not about the blood sacrifice and the legalsitic quid pro quo Paladin alluded to.

How does it all fit together in God's great plan? I don't know...I like the Mystery and acceptance of uncertainty, that I don't know it all but others leave breadcrumbs for me to follow and I put that together with my own experience of the woods I'm making my way through. Heck, I don't even think that God as a supernatural Being is an accurate reflection, although it's the easiest way to talk and think about God.

You're a much better Bible scholar than I am, you're also smarter and more widely read. I'm just throwing my little tuppence into the hat; not trying to convince you of Christianity in any flavor. I didn't know that was the point of your question to begin with.

[China Cat Sunflower]

I don't know anything Laurie! I don't even know what keeps me coming back to have these conversations. Bread crumbs maybe.

Chris

[Prober]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

I don't know anything Laurie! I don't even know what keeps me coming back to have these conversations. Bread crumbs maybe.

Chris

Falling from the Master's table or leading you back from where you came?

[China Cat Sunflower]

Leading me into the bloody brambles, more like!

Chris

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Leading me into the bloody brambles, more like!

Chris

Lol! I thought Mark's quip about crumbs from the Master's table was pretty good though.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Leading me into the bloody brambles, more like!

Chris

1000 !

[flowperson]

White, whole wheat , or rye ?

flow....

[Prober]

Originally Posted by flowperson

White, whole wheat , or rye ?

flow....

Rye, of course!

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

You're a much better Bible scholar than I am, you're also smarter and more widely read. I'm just throwing my little tuppence into the hat; not trying to convince you of Christianity in any flavor. I didn't know that was the point of your question to begin with.

You've got tuppence? And there are breadcrumbs available? Hmmmm.



Artist: Lyrics
Song: Feed The Birds Lyrics


Mary Poppins:
Early each day to the steps of Saint Paul's
The little old bird woman comes
In her own special way to the people she call,
"Come, buy my bags full of crumbs
Come feed the little birds,
Show them you care
And you'll be glad if you do
Their young ones are hungry
Their nests are so bare
All it takes is tuppence from you
Feed the birds, tuppence a bag
Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag
Feed the birds," that's what she cries
While overhead, her birds fill the skies

All around the cathedral the saints and apostles
Look down as she sells her wares
Although you can't see it,
You know they are smiling
Each time someone shows that he cares

Though her words are simple and few
Listen, listen, she's calling to you
"Feed the birds, tuppence a bag
Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag"

Though her words are simple and few
Listen, listen, she's calling to you
"Feed the birds, tuppence a bag
Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag"

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Paladin

You've got tuppence? And there are breadcrumbs available? Hmmmm.



Artist: Lyrics
Song: Feed The Birds Lyrics


Mary Poppins:
Early each day to the steps of Saint Paul's
The little old bird woman comes
In her own special way to the people she call,
"Come, buy my bags full of crumbs
Come feed the little birds,
Show them you care
And you'll be glad if you do
Their young ones are hungry
Their nests are so bare
All it takes is tuppence from you
Feed the birds, tuppence a bag
Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag
Feed the birds," that's what she cries
While overhead, her birds fill the skies

All around the cathedral the saints and apostles
Look down as she sells her wares
Although you can't see it,
You know they are smiling
Each time someone shows that he cares

Though her words are simple and few
Listen, listen, she's calling to you
"Feed the birds, tuppence a bag
Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag"

Though her words are simple and few
Listen, listen, she's calling to you
"Feed the birds, tuppence a bag
Tuppence, tuppence, tuppence a bag"

That Mary Poppins was a real subversive!

[Prober]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

That Mary Poppins was a real subversive!

Obviously did not use intelligent falling!

[flowperson]

Originally Posted by Prober

Rye, of course!

J.D. Salinger would love it !

flow....

[Prober]

Originally Posted by flowperson

J.D. Salinger would love it !

flow....

If he could catch it...

[wil]

All around the cathedral the saints and apostles
Look down as she sells her wares
Although you can't see it,
You know they are smiling
Each time someone shows that he cares

But the person who has to wipe that 'smile' off the saints and apostles...

I doubt he is pleased as the tuppence of crumbs passes through the digestive tract of the pigeons and ends up coating the building he has to maintaine...

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