The Sign of Jonah

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by donnann

The time in the belly of the whale is really meant to be the time the woman is pregnant with this sign and is associated with rev. Notice the time span is the same and in the new testament it says the only sign given is the sign of jonah. Notice the 3 days , notice 3 days till resurrection of the body. Can you see the connection. It refers to resurrection. So in conclusion the sign of jonah is resurrection of a body.

No, I cannot see the connection for the following reason:

The Hoax of the Three Days and Three Nights

On the third day or in three days, simply means after a short period of time. (Hosea 6:2)

Night or day for three days, as we have in the request of Esther to fast for her, means three days or three nights whether one follows the tradition to fast by day or by night. Those terms were used here because it was in the Diaspora where most Persians followed the tradition to fast by night. So, Esther's maids who were not Jewish, would share Esther's pain by showing their solidarity with their night fast. (Esther 4:16)

The case of Jonah dispenses all explanation because it happened during a vision. Therefore metaphorical language. That could be the entire three days and three nights, since everything is possible in a vision or dream. (Jonah 2:1)

Now, for the three days and three nights we are talking about, for Jesus to spend in the tomb, according to Matthew 12:40, the writer must have had a very poor insight about parables or metaphorical language to draw his prophecy in the terms of Jonah's allegory. If he had used the language of Esther or Hosea, he could have saved his prophecy from being a hoax, but now he must account for the whole three days and three nights or parts thereof.

We don't even need another gospel writer to contradict the one of Matthew. This contradicts himself as he declares that the next day, the one following the Day of Preparation, the chief Priests asked Pilate for a guard of soldiers to watch the tomb area for three days. (Mat. 27:62-64) The Jewish Preparation Day is always Friday, and the following day is the Sabbath.

Then, after that Sabbath, as the first day was dawning, the women went to see the sepulcher, there was an earthquake, an "angel" came down from Heaven, removed the stone, and the tomb was empty. Someone had cheated the angel by raising Jesus from there long before the "angel" could at least be an eyewitness to the resurrection.

Based on the Jewish method that a whole day or night can be accounted for any part of the day or night, we can consider the first day for those minutes that took Joseph of Arimathea to get Jesus into the tomb before sunset. The first night from sunset to sundawn of Saturday, the second day from sundawn Saturday to sunset that Saturday, and the second night from sunset that Saturday to the sundawn of the first day. It was still dark when the women arrived at the tomb to find it empty. Therefore we are missing a whole day and a whole night to save Matthew 12:40 from becoming a prophetical hoax and a classical contradiction in the NT.

Any volunteers to solve this puzzle?

Ben

[Dream]

Volunteer? I don't know anything about the books in question other than having read them a couple of times, but I will try. In these old posts I seem to be projecting my own thoughts about NT faith issues onto whatever the thread is supposed to be about. Lets just forget them. For the subject at hand I've put together an ordinal time line based on verses in Matthew both to check you and to make it clear. Also, I have a question about Sabbaths and Passovers, Shabbats and Pesachs.

Questions about when the day of preparation would be: Jesus predicts his death will be just before 'Pesach' which in English is 'Passover' (Matthew 26:1). Is the day of preparation that you've mentioned referring to a preparation for Pesach or is it preparation for a typical Sabbath? This is central to what you are saying. I am told there was no specific date for a Passover, that it moved about on a modern Julian calendar, but a Sabbath preparation would be on a Friday before Evening. Obviously Jesus appearance at the tomb occurs on a Saturday. If Jesus is crucified on Friday, then of course his resurrection was Saturday and we must consider his preparation for burial to be part of the 3 days, but if the Passover was a different day of the week such as a Wednesday or Thursday, then the three days would be accounted differently.

Ordinal Timeline

1. Jesus is 'Prepared for burial' possibly two days previous to his death (Mat 26:12), and
2. Jesus is arrested the same night, also it is the night that he predicts his crucifixion.
3. He is arrested before roosters (nature's alarm clocks) crow in the morning (Mat 26:34)
4. Jesus is crucified when he predicts, and then 'Joseph of Arimathea' requests the body of Jesus the same night of crucifixion (Mat 27:50), and he wraps the corpse with spices and puts it in a tomb.
5. Then soldiers are placed at the tomb (Mat 27:65) with an official Roman seal on it.
6. Altogether he is killed, wrapped, entombed and the tomb sealed all on the day of preparation before nightfall.*
7. That Sabbath, Women approach Jesus tomb (or sepulcher) and there is a second earthquake. (Mat 28:2).
8. During the earthquake a mighty & shiny angel rolls the tombstone away from the tomb. (Tombstones were curved and rollable, heavy and sat in a concave groove.)

*About Days for newbies: Days in Jesus' culture went from evening to evening -- not from 12 midnight to 12 midnight. When the 'Cock crows' in the story of Matthew, its not the start of a new day but still the same day. Jesus is arrested and killed on the same 'Day' but it is a night-->day not a day-->night as you would typically think of a day. He is arrested at night and killed in the morning but this all occurs on the same day.

[okieinexile]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

Based on the Jewish method that a whole day or night can be accounted for any part of the day or night, we can consider the first day for those minutes that took Joseph of Arimathea to get Jesus into the tomb before sunset. The first night from sunset to sundawn of Saturday, the second day from sundawn Saturday to sunset that Saturday, and the second night from sunset that Saturday to the sundawn of the first day. It was still dark when the women arrived at the tomb to find it empty. Therefore we are missing a whole day and a whole night to save Matthew 12:40 from becoming a prophetical hoax and a classical contradiction in the NT.

Any volunteers to solve this puzzle?

Ben

The problem comes from separating the day from the night. Jesus was in the tomb three days. Day one: the last few moments of day light. Day two: the evening and the morning. Day three: the evening and a few moments of morning.

The true sign of Jonah is what happened thereafter with the heirs of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, etc converting Ninevah (ie Rome).

Your temple was destroyed and only the Temple of Jesus' body is left to perform the continuing sacrifice.

[donnann]

Originally Posted by okieinexile

The problem comes from separating the day from the night. Jesus was in the tomb three days. Day one: the last few moments of day light. Day two: the evening and the morning. Day three: the evening and a few moments of morning.

The true sign of Jonah is what happened thereafter with the heirs of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, etc converting Ninevah (ie Rome).

Your temple was destroyed and only the Temple of Jesus' body is left to perform the continuing sacrifice.

The sign of jonah is resurrection of the body. the whale thing was symbolic.

[donnann]

Originally Posted by donnann

The sign of jonah is resurrection of the body. the whale thing was symbolic.

I get so tired of bad sacrafice. Holy sacrafice is healing stuff, not harmful. GOD never demands harmful sacrafice.

[otis-a]

Jonah The Time Terminator? as detailed in "The Balfour Century" ethos

The sign of the resurrection on the 3rd day could be the sign of Prophet Jonah that is given as a warning to the wicked generation.

The sign of Jonah could also be taken as after 3 one thousand year bible days from Messiah will be Time Termination: Finality, Finish, Full Stop, Everlasting Righteousness, Time no more, For Ever and Ever.

Three bible days to eternity were emphatically stated by Jesus:

Yeshua answered and said to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

For Some say that Luke 2:42-46 signify that from the start of the messianic age to the end of all time is three one-thousand year days. Comprised of 2,000 years of church age and one thousand years of rest. After which Christ shall be found in His temple. "And he swore by him who lives to the eternity of eternities, him who created Heaven and that which is in it, and The Earth, and that which is in it: “Time shall be no more.” " Rev 10:6

Where will you spend eternity? Do you know the sin purging, the forgiving, blood of Jesus? If not, why not? What will you do about Jesus offer of eternal life? Stand up for Jesus and your eternity NOW! Now is the acceptable day of your Salvation!

[Ben Hur]

Originally Posted by otis-a

Where will you spend eternity? Do you know the sin purging, the forgiving, blood of Jesus? If not, why not? What will you do about Jesus offer of eternal life? Stand up for Jesus and your eternity NOW! Now is the acceptable day of your Salvation!

Otis, I would like to remind you that Jesus could not offer eternal life for two reasons: First, he was born and died which proved he did not have eternal life. And second, because, according to Torah in Genesis 3:22, man was banished from the Garden of Eden to prevent him from eating of the tree of life and live forever. It means that the divine attribute of eternal life could not be granted to man. Only God, Who never had a beginning and will never have an end is Immortal. Besides, salvation, according to Jesus himself in John 4:22, comes from the Jews and not from one among the Jews.