The Transfiguration

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by mee

well ,without going off track for this thread , briefly Jesus came into kingly power right on time and inline with bible chronology and prophecy at the end of the appointed times of the nations (end of the gentile times) and 1914 was the end of the gentile times and he was the one with the legal right to the davidic throne .Jerusalem was always the place where a king represented God but from 607B.C.E. to 1914 C.E there was no king on Jehovahs throne to represent him , but in 1914 Jesus was made king of Gods heavenly kingdom not in earthly Jerusalem but in heaven
But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother ..galations 4;26

Jesus’ miraculous transfiguration provided a foregleam of him as the enthroned King of God’s Kingdom.

i think i agree with that view on the transfiguration as a foregleam of the glory of God & Jesus enthroned as King.

with all due respect Mee, you know how you tell us not to believe in man made doctrines? & only believe what the bible says?
well, this 1914 doctrine & Jesus taking the throne at that time is a man made doctrine. not sure when man made it, but i am guessing sometime during or after 1914.
if the time of gentile is over, then i guess all gentiles in these times dont have a chance or all the people before 1914 had no access to the Father.
i think Jesus took the throne at the time the bible says so, not man made doctrine time.
..and i dont need to see Heb 1:8 & Psalm 45 for a debate.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bandit

i think i agree with that view on the transfiguration as a foregleam of the glory of God & Jesus enthroned as King.

with all due respect Mee, you know how you tell us not to believe in man made doctrines? & only believe what the bible says?
well, this 1914 doctrine & Jesus taking the throne at that time is a man made doctrine. not sure when man made it, but i am guessing sometime during or after 1914.
if the time of gentile is over, then i guess all gentiles in these times dont have a chance or all the people before 1914 had no access to the Father.
i think Jesus took the throne at the time the bible says so, not man made doctrine time.
..and i dont need to see Heb 1:8 & Psalm 45 for a debate.

1914 date

But 1914 isn’t a man made doctrine, it is in the bible if you know where to look!



Jerusalem represented the Kingdom of God because its kings were said to sit on the throne of the kingship of Jehovah. But that was lost when Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 B.C.E. So as from 607 B.C.E. there was no king to represent Gods kingdom on earth. A period of time started then that Jesus later called the appointed times of the nations or the times of the gentiles Luke 21:24 KJV during these appointed times God did not have a government to represent his rulership in the earth.



At the end of these appointed times of the nations God was to give the power to rule to the one who has the legal right Ezekiel 21:26-27 says…



This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, ‘Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. This will not be the same. Put on high even what is low, and bring low even the high one. A ruin, a ruin, a ruin I shall make it. As for this also, it will certainly become no [one’s] until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give [it] to him.’



After Zedekiah, the last king in the typical Kingdom of God was removed from the throne in Jerusalem by the Babylonians. Finally, by early October of 607 B.C.E. the last vestige of Jewish sovereignty was gone.



Ok now we have got a starting point now we have to find out how long it would be until the one with the legal right would be enthroned? In Daniel there is a prophecy that covers this subject, it talks about a tree representing Gods rulership that would be cut down and banded or not allowed to grow until seven times passed over it. (As we all probably know this was fulfilled on Nebuchadnezzar but applies in this context in a greater fulfillment)



All we have to do now is find out how long the seven times are. In Revelation chapter 12 verses 6 and 14 we learn that 1,260 days are equal to a time (that is one time) and times (that is 2 times) and half a time. That is a total of 31/2 times. Are you with me so far . So (a time) would be equal to 360 days. So seven times would be 7 x 360 or 2,520 days, now if we count a day for a year according to a bible rule in (Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6) then the seven times equal 2,520 years. If we count 2,520 years from October 607 we come to October 1914, this is the year that the appointed times ended and he that had the right (Jesus Christ) began to rule as king of Gods heavenly Kingdom.



Two lines of evidence actually point to that year: (1) Bible chronology and (2) the events since 1914 in fulfillment of prophecy. But we have gone off track a bit so we will leave that for another thread.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by mee

1914 date

But 1914 isn’t a man made doctrine, it is in the bible if you know where to look!

well, i knew that was coming.

um, it is a man made doctrine. just because you choose to believe that way does not make it, not a man made doctrine.
everything is in the bible if you know where to look, anyone can make anything they want to make out of the bible. good grief.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bandit

well, i knew that was coming.

um, it is a man made doctrine. just because you choose to believe that way does not make it, not a man made doctrine.
everything is in the bible if you know where to look, anyone can make anything they want to make out of the bible. good grief.

the bible is an amazing book of prophecy, and it is more than coincidence that it all harmonizes ,and for us in these last days it is unfolding infront of our eyes,(if) we have the eye of understanding

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by mee

the bible is an amazing book of prophecy, and it is more than coincidence that it all harmonizes ,and for us in these last days it is unfolding infront of our eyes,(if) we have the eye of understanding

yes the bible is a masterpiece of prophecy & more than just prophecy.

by (if) do you mean:

your institution & its man made doctrines are the only ones who have an eye of understanding?
i know that is not what you mean is it?

see, i dont have written doctrines to pass around because i feel the bible is just that all by itself, without all the extra writing man made doctrines attached.

just so you know, this conversation is not a doctrine, it is only a conversation.

[wil]

just because you choose to believe that way does not make it [sic] so

sure it does. It makes it true for that person. Just like one's belief in Jesus or in God, or in Krishna makes it true for them. Where we constantly have battles is that that doesn't make it so for all of us.

We chose to believe the world was flat, and that was fine. Then we chose it to be round, and ..... now it is sort of a squished egg, the poles don't stay where their supposed to compasses fluctuate in certain areas. As we gain 'knowledge' those that choose to accept it move forward with it. But what is true for the Amish, the Quaker, the Shaker, or the Witness is true for them, but doesn't have to be true for me. That is the joy, it is the same for the Wiccan, the Hindu, the Scientist, the Catholic or the Baptist...what they choose to believe does make it so....for them.

Let us revel in it, rejoice in it. You think you look good in purple, I think I look hideous, whether you think I am an infidel or a terrorist is your belief and true for you. One person's religion is a cult to another doesn't make either of the wrong.... gotta love it.

Free beer tomorrow. The sign can be true every day. Because tomorrow is always tomorrow.

namaste,

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by wil

sure it does. It makes it true for that person. Just like one's belief in Jesus or in God, or in Krishna makes it true for them. Where we constantly have battles is that that doesn't make it so for all of us.


namaste,

i agree. the problem is when people use these doctrines that they feel are true for them to try & make others believe the same way & if you dont then you are wrong. some institutions do that more than others.

& i agree, it does not make it so for all of us.
a belief is a belief.

[Bandit]

hey Mee, I have one more question for you in your 1914 doctrine.
then i will be done with this.

if Jesus has only been on the throne for less than one hundred years, then in your doctrine, what was he doing between his resurrection & 1914?
just like standing at the right hand of God doing nothing?
or what?

& what verse was that, that shows Jesus had to wait?

if it is possible to make brief that is appreciated.
thank you in advance.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bandit

yes the bible is a masterpiece of prophecy & more than just prophecy.

by (if) do you mean:

your institution & its man made doctrines are the only ones who have an eye of understanding?
i know that is not what you mean is it?

see, i dont have written doctrines to pass around because i feel the bible is just that all by itself, without all the extra writing man made doctrines attached.

just so you know, this conversation is not a doctrine, it is only a conversation.

not sure what you mean by passing around written doctrines, it took me ages to write that , knowing me i have left some inportant bit out but it seems to make sense to me , it certainly comes to the right date at the end of the gentiles oh well , maybe it is not the time for you to see. and yes it is all bible based

[Faithfulservant]

To believe the end time prophecies of the bible one must take the whole bible literally. How else are you going to accurately predict what each prophecy means. What is symbolism and what is literal is always going to be in question till the prophecy comes to be fulfilled. Whats intereting to me is that one group of ppl can say what is fact and what is supposition. Take for example the term Israel... Some believe that Israel literally means Israel.. another group of ppl take that to mean something other than the Jews. The bible is always clear on who Israel is all the way through.. so who gets to decide whats fact and whats supposition?

I myself choose to take it all literally.. I believe that will lessen my error margin greatly.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bandit

hey Mee, I have one more question for you in your 1914 doctrine.
then i will be done with this.

if Jesus has only been on the throne for less than one hundred years, then in your doctrine, what was he doing between his resurrection & 1914?
just like standing at the right hand of God doing nothing?
or what?

& what verse was that, that shows Jesus had to wait?

if it is possible to make brief that is appreciated.
thank you in advance.

But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet................ hebrew 10;12-13

During all those years of waiting he would be serving as Jehovah’s High Priest and applying the lifesaving benefits of his ransom sacrifice to his faithful disciples on earth, as these make up his church or congregation. Why? Because these are to be made joint heirs or associate kings with him in God’s heavenly kingdom. (Hebrews 3:1; 6:18, 19; 10:10-22; Romans 8:16, 17)

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by mee

But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet................ hebrew 10;12-13

During all those years of waiting he would be serving as Jehovah’s High Priest and applying the lifesaving benefits of his ransom sacrifice to his faithful disciples on earth, as these make up his church or congregation. Why? Because these are to be made joint heirs or associate kings with him in God’s heavenly kingdom. (Hebrews 3:1; 6:18, 19; 10:10-22; Romans 8:16, 17)

ok. but i dont see where that says Jesus had to wait to take the throne, but thanks for trying.
peace to you

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by mee

not sure what you mean by passing around written doctrines, it took me ages to write that , knowing me i have left some inportant bit out but it seems to make sense to me , it certainly comes to the right date at the end of the gentiles oh well , maybe it is not the time for you to see. and yes it is all bible based

oh, believe me, i see what you are saying. i see what you are saying very well.

i am not talking about you personally mee or that you did not write that. i am in reference to institutions who pass out literature that has doctrines it.
i find it interesting that you only consider doctrines that others believe, that you choose not to believe as man made doctrines.
& because you believe something, you dont consider it a man made doctrine.
but if others believe what you dont believe, then it is a man made doctrine.
everyone uses the bible to support their personal bias.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

To believe the end time prophecies of the bible one must take the whole bible literally. How else are you going to accurately predict what each prophecy means. What is symbolism and what is literal is always going to be in question till the prophecy comes to be fulfilled. Whats intereting to me is that one group of ppl can say what is fact and what is supposition. Take for example the term Israel... Some believe that Israel literally means Israel.. another group of ppl take that to mean something other than the Jews. The bible is always clear on who Israel is all the way through.. so who gets to decide whats fact and whats supposition?

I myself choose to take it all literally.. I believe that will lessen my error margin greatly.

i agree & have never thought of that way with a margin error. when we start dropping things, the whole thing turns into a fairy tale & things wont add up right. i dont think God tells fairy tales.
i have always said that i believe the people, places & events are literal & if i did not see it that way I would toss the whole book out the window.

Israel means Israel.
i guess it depends on the individual or the institutions people choose to belong to, but that has never stopped me from seeing a literal bible also.

Cheers!

[wil]

I myself choose to take it all literally

6 day creation, the garden, the universe less than 10,000 years old(via the begats)? All of it? No metaphor, no allegory?