The Transfiguration

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by Dondi

How does one implement this state of being in the spirit? Are you saying we can elevate to a point now where there is no more sorrow, no more tears, even no more death? Fact is, we are going to die, we are going to have sorrow in this life, we are going to feel pain. Oh, yes, there will be times when we are so in tune with the Spirit of God that we will experience joy, peace, but as long as we are here on this, it will not be perpetual. Besides, even if we ourselves are able to find perpetual bliss, there will be people around us, people that we love, that will still be suffering.

Or perhaps you've found some secret?

Hello Dondi,

It seems that one doesn't implement it. It just happens when conditions are ripe by the will of God. Yes, I was saying that even now there is no more sorrow, no more tears and even death. Death is swallowed up in victory. Certainly the physical perishes as one lays down their body even as a rose blooms and then withers away but we are dead to the flesh already if you reckon it to be so and we are alive to the spirit and therefore only pass from life unto life.

In my view, it is perpetual. It only seems not so as one associates or identifies him/herself with the old creature instead of the new. Yes, of course there are people around us who are still sufferring. It is not far from the gate of the city to those without the city. What did you expect? Why else would one need to go out and in the gate if it were not for those still without?

Just a few points to consider...

Love and Peace,
JM

PS I wasn't aware it was a secret. It seems obvious and most natural to me and is right before our eyes unhidden except by our conditioned belief system and doubts.

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by Dondi

Do you understand the Holiness of God? According to this verse, we must do the commandments of God. To what degree of obedience will allow us to enter? No one is perfect. Would 95% obedience be enough? Or how about 99%? Or 99.99% obedient? At what point will we have the right to enter?

Yes Dondi I do,

Most believe as you do that we are not perfect and as a result, we, by our belief are not 'ripe' to enter. Did not Jesus say "Be ye therefor perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect" ? Do you think he would command us something that we cannot do through Christ? We have been made perfect in Him.

Perhaps ones idea of perfect looking from the flesh is different than viewed by God's eyes? Job was a perfect man. Read James 1:4, 3:2 and Hebrews 12:23 and many more. The spirit is made perfect in Him and when you remain in the spirit you remain in his image of perfection. It is a free gift. To which you can identify unless you prefer to identify with the 'wretched man' that even Paul saw in himself (the old creature). That is why he said to reckon yourself dead to the flesh so that you may live unto the spirit. That is Christ in you. He is already perfected. Only sin/ignorance in the form of doubt will prevent us from entering.

Just some other thoughts concerning your question to ponder or reflect upon.

Love and Peace,
JM

PS When you were forgiven and had your first direct conscious experience with God you were not 95% or 99.9% but 100%. What happened after that I cannot say. Perhaps one must return as a child again to their first love?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Dondi

How does one implement this state of being in the spirit?

Originally Posted by JosephM

It seems that one doesn't implement it. It just happens when conditions are ripe by the will of God.

I think you do implement. I'm not in any way saying I am there 24/7 but I get these fleeting moments, minutes, days...non drug induced...

And while I can't instigate the moment, I feel it comes from time spent with the door closed, in connection. And while sometimes during the silence, bliss overwhelms...more often than not it comes unexpectedly, and often when I need it as the outside perceptions of sorrow, death, hate, jealousy etc. either are or about to invade my space....and then they whither without negative affect.

Or one of my favorite ones...about to go into what was purported to be (via emails and phone calls) a very nasty meeting, things not going the way wanted at all....and while walking across the black asphalt on a high heat, oppressive humidity day...a nonexistent breeze came over me, an unstoppable smile....and from that moment on nothing impenetrate that understanding that it is all good...I left the meeting with everything that was needed, all in perfect fashion and when folks who through this Christian to the lions asked what happened, how I did it, and how we came out unscathed I could not say as I did not know.

It has occurred numerous times...that seek ye first stuff is incredible.

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by wil

I think you do implement. I'm not in any way saying I am there 24/7 but I get these fleeting moments, minutes, days...non drug induced...

And while I can't instigate the moment, I feel it comes from time spent with the door closed, in connection. And while sometimes during the silence, bliss overwhelms...more often than not it comes unexpectedly, and often when I need it as the outside perceptions of sorrow, death, hate, jealousy etc. either are or about to invade my space....and then they whither without negative affect.

Or one of my favorite ones...about to go into what was purported to be (via emails and phone calls) a very nasty meeting, things not going the way wanted at all....and while walking across the black asphalt on a high heat, oppressive humidity day...a nonexistent breeze came over me, an unstoppable smile....and from that moment on nothing impenetrate that understanding that it is all good...I left the meeting with everything that was needed, all in perfect fashion and when folks who through this Christian to the lions asked what happened, how I did it, and how we came out unscathed I could not say as I did not know.

It has occurred numerous times...that seek ye first stuff is incredible.

Very interesting Wil,

It seems to me that spending time with the doors closed may be an asset to the 'right conditions' as are surrendering belief systems, unconditional forgiveness of others, etc. yet from a flesh stand point of view, I can't say I have any control other than surrender and even that seems to be a gift.

I am open yet it seems to me that I can't really say in honesty that I Joseph implement anything. The spirit 'comes and goes' (figuratively only as of course there is not really anywhere for it to go) as it pleases and when it 'comes' there ceases to be two of us although an awareness that two of us are one still exists at some level. Location becomes irrelevent, and best described as non-local and at some 'depth' There is no fear of death because there is none and a state of bliss and what I can only describe as 'invincibility' persists.

Wil, If you can tell Joseph how to implement and remain as such, then please do. It must be possible and I will not disbelieve it to be so.

Love and Peace,
JM

[wil]

Originally Posted by JosephM

Wil, If you can tell Joseph how to implement and remain as such, then please do. It must be possible and I will not disbelieve it to be so.

I tried to be clear maybe this is better...

I see a guy stand and throw darts and hit three double bulls eyes with three darts, that is three in the small circle. Someone said that was lucky, I think not.

If it were me tossing the darts it would be lucky, but he has thrown thousands of darts and many a bulls eye, were it not for his practice, dedication and skill he'd not have been 'lucky'.

Same as a golfer that gets a hole in one, you may call it lucky, but skill put him within six foot of the hole on a regular basis.

So time spent in prayer, contemplation, silence I believe increases your connection to all that is...sets the universe in motion for implementation... that is what I mean...you did the work to implement, it may not be at your beck and call, you may not be able to instigate the said bliss. So maybe it is a semantic difference?

It is within my realm of acceptability that we may achieve the ability achieve that state, and remain so, let it be in yours as well.

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by wil

I tried to be clear maybe this is better...

(snip)
It is within my realm of acceptability that we may achieve the ability achieve that state, and remain so, let it be in yours as well.

By all means , Yes

[Dondi]

I have to kinda go along with wil on this. True that the Spirit like the wind bloweth as it listeth, but I think it is up to us to built the windmill.

Or to put it another way, what is mustardseed faith? It is a faith that starts out small and gradually grows, just as a mustard seed becomes a seedling, then a sapling, them a small tree, growing larger and larger every year (I don't know must about mustard trees in particular, but I'm just trying to draw an analogy, you understand). In other words, it is a process. I don't think we can move mountains until we learn to move molehills.