The Trinity, from the JW view.

[Dream]

These posts may seem like a rant, but what is best learning and sharing or simply conforming?

You know, Bishadi, you could have some respect for your readers. I read your posts, however both times I got to the end you had changed the subject about 50 times. I'd ignore you but you double-space type a billion lines on each completely unrelated post. What you need is a good spanking.

[Bishadi]

What you need is a good spanking.

That's a 'big joke' to Dream.

not a man alive could harm nor stop what is coming......

so if you feel froggy, leap.

I just had a conversation with another about how the internet (spider web of prophecies) will entangle mankind..... and not a thing the secularizing or doubting genre can do about it.

'good' will far outlive the ignorant, as it is this new generation that thinks, rather than conforms, that will walk all over them who remain oppressive.

no need to suffer fools.



but it you feel like you have enough to square up, then please... stand with clinched fist and swing away.... and when you find yourself tired of missing the mark..... see that existence only operates ONE WAY and everything else is simply a fib caused by ignorance and selfish pride.

no need for me to bow, as I see the total by the light of the truth and to be fair maybe you should ask a few questions rather than suggest I need a spanking.

Wrong guy to pick a fight with, that I can assure you!

[wil]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

This country is that beast.

Namaste Bishadi,

Just so we are all completly clear where you are coming from. Which country is which beast?

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Wrong guy to pick a fight with, that I can assure you!

Tis discussions we wish to have, not fights. But your statement makes me wonder why you feel the need to qualify so. Unblemished record?

[pattimax]

Bishadi, apologies if I seem rude.
We both appear to be exhibiting a predetermined notion; yours is that Jesus is not God, and mine is that He is, and that only through accepting this belief, confessing that one is a sinner, and offering up one's life to Christ as a living sacrifice, can one escape the judgement. And the judgement is this: by your unbelief, you will be allowed to remain in darkness for all eternity, by your own choice. (John 3:17-19)
The reason that I advance my position, even if rudely, is that I do not wish to see you condemn yourself to eternal darkness, and would like to invite you to come into the light. You may prefer the darkness, where you can keep the option of serving your own interests and feeding your own lusts from time to time, and many do prefer this. I just hope better for you than that.
If I tell you the truth and you don't believe it, is it still the truth?
May God richly bless you.

[Dream]

Originally Posted by Bushadi

That's a 'big joke' to Dream.

not a man alive could harm nor stop what is coming......

so if you feel froggy, leap.

I've just been Nostradamus'd!! I guess that's what I get for giving you a wedgie! Welcome to the forum, Bushadi.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Bishadi, apologies if I seem rude.
We both appear to be exhibiting a predetermined notion; yours is that Jesus is not God, and mine is that He is, and that only through accepting this belief, confessing that one is a sinner, and offering up one's life to Christ as a living sacrifice, can one escape the judgement. And the judgement is this: by your unbelief, you will be allowed to remain in darkness for all eternity, by your own choice. (John 3:17-19)
The reason that I advance my position, even if rudely, is that I do not wish to see you condemn yourself to eternal darkness, and would like to invite you to come into the light. You may prefer the darkness, where you can keep the option of serving your own interests and feeding your own lusts from time to time, and many do prefer this. I just hope better for you than that.
If I tell you the truth and you don't believe it, is it still the truth?
May God richly bless you.

The USA...... and a little horn popped up within......

But thank you dearest for the compassionate plea, I feel your desire to stand as if glorious to save a soul.

Truth is once reality is understood, then no religious ideal of false hopes will be necessary.

For example; you judge me as a sinner as if I need forgiveness for what I do. But the difference is I know what I do each moment, and quite aware of what contributions and imposition to existence I do.

I need no forgiveness other than why I waited so long. It is the only item I will ever wonder about but then I recognize what the old teachers suggest from more than a dozen religions. What is coming is meant to be, I did not start it, I can not stop it.... it is this selfish idea that someone can actually correct all sins by simply confessing to another man and no responsibility to all your other actions will be imposed.

Darling, that idea is a lie.... sorry but reality is when the masses realize what I just told you, them preachers and all them decievers are going to have a huge amount of folk imposing their own judgment upon them.

So please..... we are in that last period, learn a bit and be responsible, please do not jump up and down as if you have an answer that is unique.

I feel your intent but you fail to remain honest to yourself which is why you are continuing a fib as if it is a fact.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

it is this selfish idea that someone can actually correct all sins by simply confessing to another man and no responsibility to all your other actions will be imposed.

I do not wish to communicate on a JW platform, so I will be brief. You are sadly mistaken if you think I am "saving souls for my own glory."

Jesus Christ is NOT simply a man, my past sins are undone, future sins are taken care of in prayer (I try to keep them to a minimum and take responsibility when I can), and I know that no other actions will be imposed.

For example; you judge me as a sinner as if I need forgiveness for what I do. But the difference is I know what I do each moment, and quite aware of what contributions and imposition to existence I do.

No one is judging you as a sinner. We were all born sinners.
You are "quite aware of what contributions and imposition you make to existence?" Well, okay. Anything else?

...continuing a fib as if it is a fact.

( SIGHS, SHAKES HEAD, AND QUIETLY WALKS AWAY...)

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Jesus Christ is NOT simply a man, my past sins are undone,

So any lie and any thing you ever did wrong was undone? So if I talk to your parents, they would not remember any lies or missgivings you ever imposed? Come on now dearest, you lied again!

future sins are taken care of in prayer

Another fib, did you know or do you know whom you are lying too now?

(I try to keep them to a minimum and take responsibility when I can)

Then you think it is OK to fib right here as you have with no responsibility?

and I know that no other actions will be imposed.

Oh you do? You 'know' for certain?

No one is judging you as a sinner. We were all born sinners.

But then again, what does the prophecies suggest, 'the children will have knowledge upon their minds' means that when the truth exists, then no longer will they have to learn the truth, incorrectly.

If each person on this globe maintained their individual beliefs without using reality as a guide, then war would be all over the globe, religious right wingers would be killing all over the globe as famine, missgiving and corruption run rampant...........

we are there now........... an dear you are not offering any good to others simply by representing the continuance of the lies.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

.... we are in that last period, learn a bit and be responsible, please do not jump up and down as if you have an answer that is unique...

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Oh you do? You 'know' for certain? ...we are there now... ...

I love stand up.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by wil

I love stand up.

I agree with your logic in the sense of one minute a suggestion that one does not have and yet, represent that I do.

I 100% agree with the comedy and how you shared the reasoning.

Just the same as copernicus questioned Ptolemy when Ptolemy was accepted and had the math to prove how and why the roaming planets (bodies) roamed the sky of the flat earth, or center of everything.

The difference is simply, what is being shared is not unique in worded form but that never have the sciences been perfected to back it up. That to understand 'light' as energy upon mass actually combines each branch of knowledge.

What is funny, is most every branch has been pointing to the same exact form, since the beginning of time and it is not that the sciences or philosophies or religions are completely incorrect, it is that they left out certain aspects or properties to prove the model true.

So like you, skepticism has always remained until each branch was observed and each line items of math assessed and each and every question or phenomenon checked and rechecked.

Or simply, if you can find something material that may assist in my further understanding, please by all means share.

This thread is about the trinity; which is in fact a pure objective but to simply comprehend the reality and be able to back it up with true knowledge......... then the trinity is as such:

all mass, all energy and all time: ONE: the total: the trinity of existence: God.

Now if this is all true, will you be able to recognize it?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Or simply, if you can find something material that may assist in my further understanding, please by all means share.

Namaste Bishadi,

Why would you now accept something material to further your understanding when you seem to avoid it now?

Scripture is a funny thing, there are enough vagaries and contradictions that most can prove whatever they'd like. That they argue vehemently that they are correct and everyone elses interpretation is wrong is the paradox itself.

As for the time is at hand, yup, has been for 3,000 years or 3,000 millenia, in any respect, tis nothing to get excited about, just continue to do your best today. Surely you wouldn't hold your breath in anticipation of the unpredictable (dispite those that claim otherwise)

peace

[Bishadi]

Why would you now accept something material to further your understanding when you seem to avoid it now?

Before reaching 20 years of age over 5 separate branches of theology had been studied, and not just read but to truly understand.

Scripture is a funny thing, there are enough vagaries and contradictions that most can prove whatever they'd like. That they argue vehemently that they are correct and everyone elses interpretation is wrong is the paradox itself.

Hence the confusion to the children.

In the old day, they said man came from mud (dust), but now most know that is not true. (in the literal sense)

Creation was thought to begin the earth 6k years ago, and dinosaur bones prove this untrue.

Darwin’s evolution is ridiculed by many branches of theology and most stay away from the debate because of the conflicts.

Many many representations share each of their opinions as true and then by further education our children find these beliefs untrue and even as one stands on the podium stating…’this is the word of God’… most on the globe know God does not write words, man/woman does.

IN every moment of every second, we each evolve with knowledge and comprehension, but do people admit the pattern of evolution? No! Because a set of old works written millennia ago does not have the ability to account for the progression as it conflicts with creation.

Here is the dichotomy of all time;

A group that supports biblical creations has shown a mathematical error in the physics currently accepted that shows that if 2 items associate and have a progression greater than the sum of the individual units, that the math behind the physical sciences must be wrong.

Then the evolutionary group suggests that an environment can cause change to a species to evolve in which to retain the life’s existence.

The point is Creationist can prove a reversal of entropy which in fact is how the environment affects evolutions and the evolutionary folk will not accept creation as the various living species proves the progress of evolution but maintain that entropy can only go one direction.

So in a sense, each are beating up the other yet supporting the other in the mathematical physics written.

[Dream]

Originally Posted by Bushadi

So in a sense, each are beating up the other yet supporting the other in the mathematical physics written.

Its good we're starting better to hear your perspective. Education creates a desire for unity of the sciences, and very few people get to study 5 branches by age 20. In the thread on sin, you were talking about an upcoming, permanent change in the human race. You seemed to be saying it was because of the new information age that is on its way. I certainly do think that many old information barriers will soon be broken, but I would not say that all religions will fall. Maybe our faith will bear up under this final inspection, and what is wrong with that? Isn't this what is mentioned in Daniel 7:26 ?

[mee]

And the Court
(Lit., "Judgment.")
itself proceeded to sit, and his own rulership they finally took away, in order to annihilate [him] and to destroy [him] totally.
(Lit., "to the end.")
Daniel 7;26


talking about Daniel 7;26


By decree of the Great Judge, Jehovah God, the horn that blasphemed God and harassed his "holy ones" will have the same experience as the Roman Empire, which persecuted the early Christians. Its rulership will not continue. Neither will that of inferior hornlike "kings" that came out of the Roman Empire.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Dream

Its good we're starting better to hear your perspective. Education creates a desire for unity of the sciences, and very few people get to study 5 branches by age 20.

Nothing quite like knowledge for the human expereince and see with the eyes of your brother, offers diversity in compassionate associations. To understand why beliefs cause such division, takes the like observance to understand the cause.

[quote] In the thread on sin, you were talking about an upcoming, permanent change in the human race. You seemed to be saying it was because of the new information age that is on its way. [quote] We are in that information age. From comprehending evolution to building a nuclear weapon. It's simply at the finger tips.

I certainly do think that many old information barriers will soon be broken, but I would not say that all religions will fall.

And to remain perfectly logical in your like assessment, what would you consider the only thing that could cause such a universal change? Could it be knowledge?

Maybe our faith will bear up under this final inspection, and what is wrong with that? Isn't this what is mentioned in Daniel 7:26 ?

No.

That line is not about a coming person, but about the existing corruption of the most rude power on our globe, capitalism. That inbred concept that shares that the war of business is more important than the people.

That unifying horn is the USA. It is the power over all nations that our country uses that is damaging the globe as we stand.

it is when the people have knowledge equally that peace reign's everlasting.

remember, even as the prophecies were written, what most see are the interpretations and that is what confuses most.