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02-27-2008, 04:13 PM
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
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But the critical question is this: Did Jesus Christ and his apostles believe and teach the Trinity? NO NO AND ONE MORE NO 
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Or put another way:
Did Jesus Christ and His apostles believe and teach the Father?
Did Jesus Christ and His apostles believe and teach the Son?
Did Jesus Christ and His apostles believe and teach the Holy Spirit?
Yes, Yes and once more, yes.
Thomas
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02-27-2008, 04:24 PM
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
Hey there Thomas! How are you today brother!
Any examples of food for thought we should chew over?
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02-27-2008, 04:53 PM
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. . . and still not sure
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
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He has a right just like you or me to voice our opinion... And hey I am not giving up at trying to get in his shell and meet him. So Mee? Thoughts?
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 It's an honorable attempt, Alex, but I'm convinced Mee is actually an automated link to the Watchtower website, not an actual person . . . . . .
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02-27-2008, 04:57 PM
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FRANCE! You're next.....
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
Attempt? I haven't even finished yet! I have faith that Mee is a person, and before I die! I will know his name!  Mee, brother keep on truckin'
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02-27-2008, 05:05 PM
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. . . and still not sure
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
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02-28-2008, 07:56 AM
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
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Originally Posted by Thomas
Or put another way:
Did Jesus Christ and His apostles believe and teach the Father?
Did Jesus Christ and His apostles believe and teach the Son?
Did Jesus Christ and His apostles believe and teach the Holy Spirit?
Yes, Yes and once more, yes.
Thomas
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very true indeed , but they knew just who the father was ,and it was the most high JEHOVAH .
and they knew just who Jesus was because he told them who he was , and so did Jehovah , because Jehovah said THIS IS MY SON LISTEN TO HIM. and the holy spirit is the active force of God, great things are accomplished it is a force in motion . so yes yes and yes .
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02-28-2008, 08:00 AM
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
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 It's an honorable attempt, Alex, but I'm convinced Mee is actually an automated link to the Watchtower website, not an actual person . . . . . . 
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lol hey i must be really in tune with the right way of thinking  that means i am not as naughty as i thought
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02-28-2008, 08:03 AM
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
Hi Mee.
OK. Let me ask you this:
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but they knew just who the father was, and it was the most high JEHOVAH.
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Not a term Jesus of His Apostles used., In fact He gave them a name by which to call Him ... and that's the name they follow.
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because Jehovah said THIS IS MY SON LISTEN TO HIM.
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How can a Divine Being father a Son who is not of the same being as Himself? How can the Son not be Divine?
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and the holy spirit is the active force of God
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How can the 'active force of God' not be God?
Thomas
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02-28-2008, 08:08 AM
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
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Attempt? I haven't even finished yet! I have faith that Mee is a person, and before I die! I will know his name!  Mee, brother keep on truckin'
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i think it is more important to know the name of the most high it is more beneficial to everyone . psalm 83;18
because to really know the most high leads to great blessings .
This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel: "I, Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit [yourself], the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk. ISAIAH 48
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Yes knowing and walking with God is what people should be striving to do , it is more beneficial
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02-28-2008, 08:19 AM
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
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Hi Mee.
OK. Let me ask you this:
Jesus
Not a term Jesus of His Apostles used., In fact He gave them a name by which to call Him ... and that's the name they follow.
Thomas
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Jesus taught his followers to pray to God: "Let your name be sanctified." (Matthew 6:9)
And in prayer on the night before his execution, he said to his Father: "I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world . . . Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me."—John 17:6, 11.
Regarding these references by Jesus to God’s name, the book Der Name Gottes (The Name of God) explains, on page 76: "We must appreciate the astonishing fact that the traditional Old Testament understanding of God’s revelation is that it is a revelation of his name and that this is carried on through to the final parts of the Old Testament, yes, continues even into the last parts of the New Testament, where, for example at John 17:6, we read: ‘I have made your name manifest.’"
Yes, it would be most unreasonable to think that Jesus held back from using God’s name, especially when he quoted from those portions of the Hebrew Scriptures that contained it.
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02-28-2008, 08:23 AM
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
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Hi Mee.
How can a Divine Being father a Son who is not of the same being as Himself? How can the Son not be Divine?
Thomas
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"Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: ‘This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.’"—MATTHEW 3:17.
And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him." LUKE 9;35
Jesus-A Godlike One; Divine
Joh 1:1—"and the Word was a god (godlike; divine)"
Gr., καὶ θεὸςη̉̃νὁ λόγος (kai the·os´ en ho lo´gos)
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02-28-2008, 02:58 PM
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What was the question?
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
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He has a right just like you or me to voice our opinion... And hey I am not giving up at trying to get in his shell and meet him. So Mee? Thoughts?
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Of course he does. It's just the "beating a dead horse" part that get's old.
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02-28-2008, 03:20 PM
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
I know Q! My brother I know! But, I just have to keep trying! The longer this takes the better it will feel.
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02-28-2008, 03:37 PM
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What was the question?
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
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I know Q! My brother I know! But, I just have to keep trying! The longer this takes the better it will feel. 
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Well...at least you'll have "tenderized steaks" to show for your efforts...
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02-28-2008, 04:05 PM
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Re: The Trinity, from the JW view.
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I know Q! My brother I know! But, I just have to keep trying! The longer this takes the better it will feel. 
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what is it that you are trying for
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