The Trinity, from the JW view. - Page 23

Bishadi · 04-19-2008, 07:47 PM

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Got news for you. Jesus' major statement was "man you don't want to go to hell". So your statement is in error.

Jesus was afraid for us going to HELL, and made that quite clear in his teachings.

Did you hear his words from your ears? Did he read the bible and endorse the rendition prior to release?

Has man the capability to cause errors of representations by both choice or simple mistake?

Until each can represent with complete integrity to facts, then all else is simply guestimating. (Was that a creation too!)

God is never incorrect but man often is. Try trusting God over the words of men.

Quahom1 · 04-19-2008, 11:11 PM

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Did you hear his words from your ears? Did he read the bible and endorse the rendition prior to release?

Has man the capability to cause errors of representations by both choice or simple mistake?

Until each can represent with complete integrity to facts, then all else is simply guestimating. (Was that a creation too!)

God is never incorrect but man often is. Try trusting God over the words of men.

...every damn day. And I can read. I also can see. Have a nice day.

mee · 04-20-2008, 02:37 PM

God himself testified that Jesus was his beloved Son, as the Bible writer Matthew noted when Jesus was baptized. (Matthew 3:17)

Other Bible writers noted the same. Mark wrote: "A voice came out of the heavens: ‘You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.’" (Mark 1:11) Luke said: "A voice came out of heaven: ‘You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.’" (Luke 3:22)

And John the Baptizer, who baptized Jesus, testified: "I have borne witness that this one [Jesus] is the Son of God." (John 1:34) So God himself, all four Gospel writers, and John the Baptizer clearly state that Jesus was the Son of God. And some time later, at the transfiguration of Jesus, a similar thing happened: "A voice [God’s] came out of the cloud, saying: ‘This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him.’"—Luke 9:35.

as we can see from the bible ,Jesus is not God

BlaznFattyz · 04-20-2008, 03:09 PM

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as we can see from the bible ,Jesus is not God

nothing you quoted states this. Jesus is God among us, those that have seen Him have seen the Father, those that listen to him listen to the Father, those that honor him honor the Father. Being that he was sent to us from the Father, from his position with God as God, he is the Son of God, who can only do the will of God, speak the words of God, have the power over life and death as God, and sit in glory and majesty as God. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

mee · 04-20-2008, 03:38 PM

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yes indeed ,as his father Jehovah said , in luke 9;35

And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him." luke 9;35

Jesus himself said: "The Father is greater than I am." (John 14:28)

We should believe Jesus, for he surely knew the truth about his relationship to his Father.

The apostle Paul also knew that God was superior to Jesus, and he said: "The Son [Jesus] himself will also subject himself to . . . God." (1 Corinthians 15:28)

This is further seen in Paul’s statement at 1 Corinthians 11:3: "The head of the Christ is God." Jesus acknowledged that he had a superior God when he said to his disciples: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God."—John 20:17.

yes as the bible teaches us ,Jesus is not God .

Bishadi · 04-20-2008, 05:24 PM

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yes as the bible teaches us ,Jesus is not God .

Not sure if the bible teaches this but nice to see basic common sense set in, that NO MAN is omnipotent or have the so called magic of a god.

as the only trinity to existence is mass, energy and time............

any who wish to suggest god is of man, then know, each of us can create a life as easy as the next; just plant a tree by choice.... :>:>:>

BlaznFattyz · 04-20-2008, 06:13 PM

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yes as the bible teaches us ,Jesus is not God .

The bible teaches that Christ has always existed as God and He created all things and thru him all things are sustained. Listen to Him because the words he spoke while among us are the very words of God. When Christ speaks, the Father has spoken, and the Spirit of God reveals that the Son is Lord of all things, our God, and our Saviour. If you deny Christ, you deny God, for God has come to be among us, sending his only Son, the Word of God that is in the very bosom of his being, as Jesus Christ to provide salvation and eternal life for those who believe in Him.

cyberpi · 04-20-2008, 10:53 PM

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The bible teaches that Christ has always existed as God and He created all things and thru him all things are sustained. Listen to Him because the words he spoke while among us are the very words of God. When Christ speaks, the Father has spoken, and the Spirit of God reveals that the Son is Lord of all things, our God, and our Saviour. If you deny Christ, you deny God, for God has come to be among us, sending his only Son, the Word of God that is in the very bosom of his being, as Jesus Christ to provide salvation and eternal life for those who believe in Him.

Is God in you?

BlaznFattyz · 04-21-2008, 12:01 AM

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Is God in you?

yes, the Holy Spirit dwells within me and comforts me and guides me. I worship and have understanding of the true living God thru the Spirit. And I have forgiveness and a relationship with the Father through the Son. Therefore, since we are justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have obtained access to this grace in which we stand

cyberpi · 04-21-2008, 12:04 AM

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yes, the Holy Spirit dwells within me and comforts me and guides me. I worship and have understanding of the true living God thru the Spirit. And I have forgiveness and a relationship with the Father through the Son.

The same with Jesus.

BlaznFattyz · 04-21-2008, 12:08 AM

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So did Jesus.

I did not create the universe, come down from heaven, die on a cross and rise again glorified and sit on the throne of God. I am just the clay, I am not the potter.

cyberpi · 04-21-2008, 12:29 AM

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I did not create the universe, come down from heaven, die on a cross and rise again glorified and sit on the throne of God. I am just the clay, I am not the potter.

Did Jesus, a son of God, create the universe?

Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Matthew 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show judgment to the Gentiles.

BlaznFattyz · 04-21-2008, 01:06 AM

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Did Jesus, a son of God, create the universe?

Yes, God created all things. Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone." In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

cyberpi · 04-21-2008, 01:14 AM

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Yes, God created all things. Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone." In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Is the universe God? Are you, I, or anyone here the Father?

BlaznFattyz · 04-21-2008, 01:38 AM

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Is the universe God? Are you, I, or anyone here the Father?

No, we are his creation and had a beginning. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.