The Trinity, from the JW view.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

We all can equally if we just remain honest to ourselves and represent the truth, first.




does it make sense to you as well?

how about some simple ideas to think on equally...

good: supports life

bad: loss to the common

from there simply be honest with yourself and the rest is easy....

Fine. Jesus is Lord, and God. It is as simple as apple pie.

[greymare]

i like apple pie

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Fine. Jesus is Lord, and God. It is as simple as apple pie.

but what does the bible teach us ?


And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him." luke 9;35





Jesus knew that he was not equal to his Father but in every way was in a subordinate position.

He knew that he was a beloved Son who had deep love for his Father.

That is why, time and again, Jesus made statements such as the following: "The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing." (John 5:19)

"I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 6:38)

"What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me." (John 7:16)

"I know him [God], because I am a representative from him, and that One sent me forth." (John 7:29)

as we can see the bible teaches us that Jesus is Gods son .

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

but what does the bible teach us ?


And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him." luke 9;35





Jesus knew that he was not equal to his Father but in every way was in a subordinate position.

He knew that he was a beloved Son who had deep love for his Father.

That is why, time and again, Jesus made statements such as the following: "The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing." (John 5:19)

"I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 6:38)

"What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me." (John 7:16)

"I know him [God], because I am a representative from him, and that One sent me forth." (John 7:29)

as we can see the bible teaches us that Jesus is Gods son .

You are leaving out so much of who He is. You are leaving out the part where He was born a king and worshiped by angels and men, He is the Word of God who created all things, and is in heaven glorified on the throne as God who will judge mankind. the parts that you are speaking, you don't get it completely. He submits to the father not because he is not God, but emptied himself of his position in heaven, so he could be born under the law, fulfilling all things, laying down his life and taking it up again so we have eternal salvation through his sacrifice. This is how the Father reconciles us back to him--thru his Son. Even though there is a Father and a Son, they are both salvation, they are both redemption, they are both light, both truth, they are both the good shepherd, they are both God. But Jesus Christ is the way, for he laid done his life for us, and there is no other way to the Father but through him.

[mee]

[quote=BlaznFattyz;145822] you don't get it completely. quote]


I leave out the manmade trinity doctrine bits and stick to what the bible REALLY teaches ITS BETTER its pure bible teachings


and its very good

[BlaznFattyz]

[quote=mee;145853]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

you don't get it completely. quote]


I leave out the manmade trinity doctrine bits and stick to what the bible REALLY teaches ITS BETTER its pure bible teachings


and its very good

no, u are leaving out the bible and replacing it with watchtower doctrine. everything i said is from the bible, you just want to ignore it because you have too much invested into your organization.

[wil]

[quote=BlaznFattyz;145919]

Originally Posted by mee

no, u are leaving out the bible and replacing it with watchtower doctrine. everything i said is from the bible, you just want to ignore it because you have too much invested into your organization.

Namaste Blazn,

The Trinity from the JW view. does come from the watchtower or the watchtower from it, surely you wouldn't expect otherwise would you?

[Bishadi]

The Trinity is a Christian doctrine, stating that God is one Being Who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons [1]: the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.

The word 'trinity' itself is not found in the Christian Bible.

does this help?

Or would you like another point of view?

The Trimurti (English: ‘three forms’; Sanskrit: trimūrti) is a concept in Hinduism "in which the cosmic functions of creation, maintenance, and destruction are personified by the forms of Brahmā the creator, Viṣṇu the maintainer or preserver, and Śiva the destroyer or transformer."[1][2] These three deities have been called "the Hindu triad" [3] or the "Great Trinity".

or even the JW view

How is the Trinity Explained?

The main theme of this section is that the Trinity is difficult to understand, even contrary to human reason, and a number of quotes, mostly from Catholic sources, are quoted to illustrate that the Trinity is an incomprehensi­ble mystery. To begin with, let us admit that there is a difference between what is illogical or unreasonable and what is beyond our understanding. For example, physicists tell us that certain building blocks of reality (quanta) are both waves and particles. How can they be both? The physicists themselves don't fully understand, but assume that one day we will have sufficient data to explain why a quantum can have the properties of both a wave and a particle. In other words, there is a solution to the problem that further research may supply. What I want to suggest to you is that the doctrine of the Trinity is like this. It is the only explanation that makes sense of what the Bible actually says about God, but God does not give us enough data to fit it all together. This does not mean that it is unreasonable, any more than electrical theory is unreasonable because an Australian aborigine doesn't understand or believe in electric light bulbs.
In fact, the Bible teaches that God himself is beyond our understanding. Both the Jehovah's Witness and the Christian admit that God is infinite. Therefore we can never comprehend him in his totality, because we are finite. God is unlimited and we are limited. Consider Ps 145:3, and Isa 55:8-9:

Great is the Lord, and most worthy of praise; his greatness no one can fathom (NIV). "For as the thoughts of you people are not my thoughts, nor are my ways your ways", is the utterance of Jehovah, "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts" (NWT).

And for any nut who likes keeping both feet on the ground, get MET! (mass, energy, time; the total; ONE)

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

does this help?

Or would you like another point of view?

or even the JW view

and here is what Jehovahs witnesses REALLY believe.

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

psalm 83;18




For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.
john 3;16-17



As Jesus himself said ,"I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 6:38) "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me." (John 7:16)


yes its all in the bible , and Jehovahs witnesses always stick to the bible and the teachings of Gods son Jesus christ .

Jesus himself said: "The Father is greater than I am." (John 14:28)


When Jesus was about to die, he showed subjection to his Father in praying: "Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me.

Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place." (Luke 22:42)


To whom was Jesus praying? To himself? No, he was praying to his Father in heaven.

This is clearly shown by his saying: "Let, not my will, but yours take place." And then, at his death, Jesus cried out: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34)

To whom was Jesus crying out? To himself? No, he was crying out to his Father who was in heaven.





And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him." luke 9;35


good clear bible teaching is what all Jehovahs witnesses are in to , and its very good and if we listen to Jesus it is the way to EVERLASTING LIFE ,






This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

John 17;3


yes the true God is JEHOVAH, and his son who he sent forth is JESUS .


AND ITS ALL IN THE BIBLE its good isnt it?



Do not be misled

[Cooper]

Originally Posted by Alex P

So manmade... Ok cool Why is it important not to believe in the trinity? What harm could that do? By the way names Alex, thanks for chatting with me brother

Because it is fallacy. G-d is ONE.

[mee]

Jehovah is near to all those calling upon him,
To all those who call upon him in trueness.

(Or, "truth; truthfulness.")

psalm 145;18

Did the Early Church Teach That God Is a Trinity?NO


Did Jesus and his disciples teach the doctrine of the Trinity? NO


Was it a teaching of Jesus and his disciples? If so, it should have appeared fully formed in the first century of our Common Era. And since what they taught is found in the Bible, then the Trinity doctrine is either a Bible teaching or it is not. If it is, it should be clearly taught in the Bible. But as we can clearly see it is not a bible teaching.


At Acts chapter 17, verse 11, people are called "noble-minded" because they were "carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so," things taught by the apostle Paul.

They were encouraged to use the Scriptures to confirm the teachings even of an apostle. we should do the same.


Keep in mind that the Scriptures are "inspired of God" and are to be used for "setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16, 17)

So the Bible is complete in doctrinal matters. If the Trinity doctrine is true, it should be there.



Can I find any scripture that mentions "Trinity"?
NO


Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God? NO



Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom? NO


Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity, nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom.


Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a "duality." Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.



So there we have it, the Trinity is not a bible teaching .

Trinitarians may say that the Bible "implies" a Trinity. But this claim is made long after the Bible was written. It is an attempt to read into the Bible what clergymen of later times arbitrarily decided should be doctrine.



The reason the Bible does not clearly teach the Trinity doctrine is simple: It is not a Bible teaching.


Had God been a Trinity, he would surely have made it clear so that Jesus and his disciples could have taught it to others.


And that vital information would have been included in God’s inspired Word.

It would not have been left to imperfect men to struggle with centuries later.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Here you go mee, you now have a stage for an audience that wishes to learn what your view is.... Loving ya brother. So key pointers mee? How's it work? Your words brother, why do you believe what you do?

ok then

Jehovah is near to all those calling upon him,
To all those who call upon him in trueness.

(Or, "truth; truthfulness.")

psalm 145;18

Did the Early Church Teach That God Is a Trinity?NO


Did Jesus and his disciples teach the doctrine of the Trinity? NO


Was it a teaching of Jesus and his disciples? If so, it should have appeared fully formed in the first century of our Common Era. And since what they taught is found in the Bible, then the Trinity doctrine is either a Bible teaching or it is not. If it is, it should be clearly taught in the Bible. But as we can clearly see it is not a bible teaching.


At Acts chapter 17, verse 11, people are called "noble-minded" because they were "carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so," things taught by the apostle Paul.

They were encouraged to use the Scriptures to confirm the teachings even of an apostle. we should do the same.


Keep in mind that the Scriptures are "inspired of God" and are to be used for "setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16, 17)

So the Bible is complete in doctrinal matters. If the Trinity doctrine is true, it should be there.



Can I find any scripture that mentions "Trinity"?
NO


Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God? NO



Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom? NO


Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity, nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom.


Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a "duality." Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.



So there we have it, the Trinity is not a bible teaching .

Trinitarians may say that the Bible "implies" a Trinity. But this claim is made long after the Bible was written. It is an attempt to read into the Bible what clergymen of later times arbitrarily decided should be doctrine.



The reason the Bible does not clearly teach the Trinity doctrine is simple: It is not a Bible teaching.


Had God been a Trinity, he would surely have made it clear so that Jesus and his disciples could have taught it to others.


And that vital information would have been included in God’s inspired Word.

It would not have been left to imperfect men to struggle with centuries later.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Alex P

So manmade... Ok cool Why is it important not to believe in the trinity? What harm could that do? By the way names Alex, thanks for chatting with me brother

one word FALSEHOOD comes to mind when i hear the word TRINITY , and worshiping with spirit and truth is the way to go for mee.

so the trinity is not for mee, which reminds me of revelation 18;4 GET OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE , is the command from Jesus . babylon the great is the worldwide empire of false religion i am out of there .

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

one word FALSEHOOD comes to mind when i hear the word TRINITY , and worshiping with spirit and truth is the way to go for mee.

so the trinity is not for mee, which reminds me of revelation 18;4 GET OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE , is the command from Jesus . babylon the great is the worldwide empire of false religion i am out of there .

Ironic. When I heard the word "Jehovah's Witness" I simply shake my head in sadness. I have so much more than the JW to be grateful for, thanks to the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit. God is always with me, regardless of what form He takes.

Sometimes, I need a Father. Sometimes I need a Friend, and sometimes I need inspiration and protection. God provides that for me up close and personal.

Mee, it isn't good to be stuck on yourself, or narrow minded. God did not limit us to be mindless parrots. He said in fact "there is nothing man can not accomplish that he puts his mind to." That includes learning the whole of God.

By limitting your venues towards the whole of God, you limit yourself, and your options to excel.

That truly is a shame, and I pity you.

v/r

Q

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

and I pity you.

v/r

Q

mee likes to stick to what the bible REALLY teaches , and its not the trinity.




All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

2 timothy 3;16-17


mee feels completely equipped or fitted out for every good work.

and its all in the bible with no manmade doctrines like the trinity needed.