The Trinity, from the JW view.

[mee]

[quote=Alex P;140303]Mee, what I was attempting to do, was place you in a thread with no pressure or stress, quote] who said that i have any stress , not mee .
i just put over bible truth and i like doing that .


i think you will find that i have never complained about others comments about me , but i think i am correct in saying that many become stressed out when i put over what the bible teaches. so who are the stressed ones

[mee]

contending that since the Trinity is such a confusing mystery, it must have come from divine revelation creates another major problem. Why? Because divine revelation itself does not allow for such a view of God: "God is not a God of confusion."—1 Corinthians 14:33, Revised Standard Version (RS).

[wil]

[quote=mee;140318]

Originally Posted by Alex P

i think you will find that i have never complained about others comments about me , but i think i am correct in saying that many become stressed out when i put over what the bible teaches. so who are the stressed ones

Namaste mee,

I think the difference may be that you continually insist that you follow what the bible teaches. While some of your links are to the bible, they are more often to the watchtower. And when you cut and paste bible quotes you tend to cut and paste watchtower interpretations of those quotes. This makes folks believe that it is not what the bible teaches that you revel in, but what the watchtower says the bible teaches.

Now truth be known I come largely from what Unity teaches the bible teaches and others come from what the Catholic Church or some other church teaches what the bible teaches.

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by mee

"Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: ‘This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.’"—MATTHEW 3:17.

And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him." LUKE 9;35

Jesus-A Godlike One; Divine[FONT=Arial]

Joh 1:1—"and the Word was a god (godlike; divine)"

Gr., καὶ θεὸςη̉̃νὁ λόγος (kai the·os´ en ho lo´gos)

So you accept the Father is God, and Jesus is God?

And the Holy Spirit?

And by what name did Jesus tell His disciples to address The Lord in their prayers?

Thomas

[Thomas]

Hi Mee —

Originally Posted by mee

contending that since the Trinity is such a confusing mystery...

Contend all you like ... it's not at all confusing to me, it explains how there is One God, yet baptism in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Thomas

[mee]

[quote=wil;140321][quote=mee;140318]. This makes folks believe that it is not what the bible teaches that you revel in, but what the watchtower says the bible teaches.

quote]and thats the problem that they have ,

i am glad to say that i do not have a problem with
what Jehovahs witnesses print, because it is more inline with what the bible teaches so that is fine by mee

[mee]

Originally Posted by Thomas

So you accept the Father is God, and Jesus is God?



Thomas

No the bible does not teach that.

[mee]

What the Trinity Doctrine Means

Some have concluded that simply ascribing deity or godship to Jesus is all that the Trinity teaching means.

For others, belief in the Trinity simply means belief in Father, Son, and holy spirit.

However, a close examination of Christendom’s creeds exposes how woefully inadequate such ideas are in relation to the formal doctrine.
Official definitions make it clear that the Trinity doctrine is not a simple idea. Instead, it is a complex set of separate ideas that have been brought together over a long period of time and interlocked into one another.


From the picture of the Trinity doctrine that appeared after the Council of Constantinople in 381 C.E., from the Tome of Damasus in 382 C.E., from the Athanasian Creed that came some time later, and from other documents, we can clearly determine what Christendom means by the Trinity doctrine. It includes the following definite ideas:
1. There are said to be three divine persons—the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit—in the Godhead.
2. Each of these separate persons is said to be eternal, none coming before or after the other in time.
3. Each is said to be almighty, with none greater or lesser than the other.
4. Each is said to be omniscient, knowing all things.
5. Each is said to be true God.
6. However, it is said that there are not three Gods but only one God.
Clearly the Trinity doctrine is a complex set of ideas including at least the above vital elements and involving even more, as revealed when the details are examined.

But if we consider only the above basic ideas, it is apparent that if any are removed, what remains is no longer Christendom’s Trinity.
To have the complete picture, all these pieces must be present.

With this better understanding of the term "Trinity," we can now ask: Was it a teaching of Jesus and his disciples? If so, it should have appeared fully formed in the first century of our Common Era.
And since what they taught is found in the Bible, then the Trinity doctrine is either a Bible teaching or it is not. If it is, it should be clearly taught in the Bible.
It is not reasonable to think that Jesus and his disciples would teach people about God and yet not tell them who God is, especially when some believers would be asked to give up even their lives for God.
Hence, Jesus and his disciples should have given the highest priority to teaching others about this vital doctrine.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

No the bible does not teach that.

That my friend is your "opinion". Not so for 2.3 billion other Christians.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

That my friend is your "opinion". Not so for 2.3 billion other Christians.

very true , its a broad road indeed .

[mee]

Examine the Scriptures

At Acts chapter 17, verse 11, people are called "noble-minded" because they were "carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so," things taught by the apostle Paul.

They were encouraged to use the Scriptures to confirm the teachings even of an apostle. You should do the same.

Keep in mind that the Scriptures are "inspired of God" and are to be used for "setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16, 17)



So the Bible is complete in doctrinal matters. If the Trinity doctrine is true, it should be there.


I invite you to search the Bible, especially the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, to see for yourself if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself:
1. Can I find any scripture that mentions "Trinity"?
2. Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God?
3. Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom?
Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity,

nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom.

Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a "duality." Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

very true , its a broad road indeed .

No Mee, it's a narrow path, straight to God. There is the Father in front of us, Jesus behind us, and the Holy Spirit with us...too bad you can't enjoy that comfort.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

Examine the Scriptures

At Acts chapter 17, verse 11, people are called "noble-minded" because they were "carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so," things taught by the apostle Paul.

They were encouraged to use the Scriptures to confirm the teachings even of an apostle. You should do the same.

Keep in mind that the Scriptures are "inspired of God" and are to be used for "setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16, 17)



So the Bible is complete in doctrinal matters. If the Trinity doctrine is true, it should be there.


I invite you to search the Bible, especially the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, to see for yourself if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself:
1. Can I find any scripture that mentions "Trinity"?
2. Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God?
3. Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom?
Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity,

nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom.

Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a "duality." Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.

Fascinating stuff!. And all opinion, subject to conjecture. Nothing here is fact. You can't win on this issue.

[17th Angel]

Q, could I just say, that I think perhaps even the scholars amongst us, go with opinions quite often... Just a thought, sorry wished to share...

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Q, could I just say, that I think perhaps even the scholars amongst us, go with opinions quite often... Just a thought, sorry wished to share...

Understood. Show me the errors of my way. If you can't, then I will defend the trinity with a vengence.

I talk and ask questions, and think about the answers. Mee does not.

That is the difference. Please bear that in mind.