The Trinity, from the JW view.

[China Cat Sunflower]

Of what benefit or detriment is trinitarian versus non trinitarian doctrine? What recommends one over the other? IOW, in rejecting the trinity, what have we lost (or gained)?

Chris

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Of what benefit or detriment is trinitarian versus non trinitarian doctrine? What recommends one over the other? IOW, in rejecting the trinity, what have we lost (or gained)?

Chris

...the fulness of God, Chris.

[China Cat Sunflower]

I understand Josh, but isn't the mystery of the trinity sort of a gateway to other mysteries?

Chris

[Joedjr]

Hi Chris,
It's most likely different for each person, for me (non-trinitarian) it comes in a search for truth. From a biblical perspective it helps me to define, visualize and to feel who I perceive G!d to be. It gives me a direction to where I should present my prayer and provides guidance for this path, life.
For the trinitarian who perceives that the bible supports the trinity, I most likely will hear the same as what I have posted. Come to think of it, any religion might say the same thing. For now as a Christian I want to see G!d as truthfully as I can. Is that an answer?

Joe

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Joedjr

Hi Chris,
It's most likely different for each person, for me (non-trinitarian) it comes in a search for truth. From a biblical perspective it helps me to define, visualize and to feel who I perceive G!d to be. It gives me a direction to where I should present my prayer and provides guidance for this path, life.
For the trinitarian who perceives that the bible supports the trinity, I most likely will hear the same as what I have posted. Come to think of it, any religion might say the same thing. For now as a Christian I want to see G!d as truthfully as I can. Is that an answer?

Joe

Thanks Joe! Do you think that maybe the weight of tradition supporting the trinity is an encumbrance for you where it may be a benefit for someone with a more traditionalist perspective?

Chris

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Of what benefit or detriment is trinitarian versus non trinitarian doctrine? What recommends one over the other? IOW, in rejecting the trinity, what have we lost (or gained)?

Chris

this is about who God is, who you worship, who you have a personal relationship with, who you ask for forgiveness, and who saves your soul. you cant ask jesus for forgiveness and be forgiven if he is not God. if he is God then you will ask him and you will be forgiven. Salvation comes only from God. Whoever puts his faith in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see that life, for God's wrath remains on him."

[Joedjr]

Hi Chris,

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Thanks Joe! Do you think that maybe the weight of tradition supporting the trinity is an encumbrance for you where it may be a benefit for someone with a more traditionalist perspective?
Chris

For me, a bible reading doesn't support trinitarianism. I don't see much truth in the fantastical biblical exegesis that pervades most of Christendom. So maybe the trinity is just a small piece that I find included in the "weight of tradition".
I have noticed that the singing and praise to G!d in trinitarian and non trinitarian churches is about the same.

Joe

[wil]

Originally Posted by Joedjr

I have noticed that the singing and praise to G!d in trinitarian and non trinitarian churches is about the same.

Whoa, don't tell anybody!!

Q says 97% of Christendom is trinitarian. I have no idea. What would your take be?

Which churches, denominations have you attended that are non trinitarian?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

I understand Josh, but isn't the mystery of the trinity sort of a gateway to other mysteries?

Chris

Indeed. An enigma, wrapped in mystery, surrounded by a secret. An onion for us to peel back, layer by layer and still be excited about what is next. God, doesn't want us to get bored.

[BlaznFattyz]

i would up the percent of what Q said, im saying 100% of christendom is trinitarian. i mean people dont sit around and say, i think im trinitarian... but christians believe in the divinity and deity of Christ and in doing so have automatically made themselves trinitarians. believing in christ they are forgiven by Christ, they are saved by Christ, and they are born again in Christ. Because of that, he is their personal saviour, and salvation is only thru Christ. And because salvation is also only thru God, any christian then makes the association, and truthfully so, that Jesus is God. However, jw's and other religions that know of Jesus, redefine him which goes against what he said and what he did and what he can do and what God and the prophets have said about the Son. and in doing so, no longer worship God in truth, because the truth is in Christ - He is the way, the truth, and the life. Once you have redefined God by stripping away the Son, and the Holy spirit from the Father as one God, then you no longer fall under Christianity. that doesnt mean you cant be saved or that we cant love one another, that means you are not understanding for various reasons, unless the spirit reveals it to you and you deny it anyway. because one of the main purposes of the spirit is to reveal Christ as Lord. The nature of christianity is to spread the gospel, continue the work of christ, and love god and one another--that is the main purpose, and we have to let God do the rest. a jw or other religious person leaving their organization in place of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, because the spirit has touched him and revealed the nature of God, will not be the first time or last time someone has sought out the truth of God and found it in his Son. and from many years of experience i cant tell you that when they have let go of traditions, culture, or other social investments that defines religion for them and seek God thru a humble, desperate, and many times broken heart, they find themselves a completely different person, and reborn thru Jesus Christ, saved by grace, and it is a beautiful thing.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Fascinating stuff!. And all opinion, subject to conjecture. Nothing here is fact. You can't win on this issue.

i am not trying to win

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I talk and ask questions, and think about the answers. Mee does not.

.

i dont need to think about if the trinity is right or wrong i have already done that and worn the teeshirt, i know it is not a bible teaching , that is why i only put over what the bible really teaches because thoughts of the trinity are far behind me now and i am only interested in what the bible really teaches . and i like to promote what the bible really teaches.

i would like to know how you know what i am thinking i dont need to ask questions because i dont need to do that any more .

[mee]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Of what benefit or detriment is trinitarian versus non trinitarian doctrine? What recommends one over the other? IOW, in rejecting the trinity, what have we lost (or gained)?

Chris

The trinity is false and the real bible teaching is true .

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

The trinity is false and the real bible teaching is true .

Who forgives your sins then?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

Who forgives your sins then?

Only God can forgive sins. We can forgive each other, but not the sin. Excellent point.