The Trinity of Christianity

[kenod]

Originally Posted by taijasi

Boy, I'll tell ya, I don't know how I managed to get it so confused.

I don't know either

Anger over petty personal matters is just immaturity.

Christian anger is to do with injustice and the welfare of others.

[Marietta]

Hello Q, I understand where you are coming from now.

Boot camp is intended to create mind control alters. They use sleep depravation along with long hours of excessive exercise and Yes, ANGER. Anger is used in every form of mind control especially Monarch mind control.

With a clear mind without all the anger you should have been able to come upon the same or better way of crossing the ditch. Anger clouds the mind.


However what happened with the redneck (as you call him), was that his mind had reached a point of compartmentalization from trauma based mind control which gave him the ability to think with pinpoint accuracy to figure out how to cross the bridge. Once compartmentalization has occurred each portion of the mind thinks independently of the other and no compartment knows what the other has done or is about to do. What ever compartment is brought forward will act out its purpose and then another portion will come forward afterwards so the person will not remember what the other compartment had done if to traumatic to recall. Without this kind of mind control the average human being could never go to war and kill many, many people (strangers to them) and live with themselves afterwards. Many of the Vietnam vets have flash backs due to the mind control programing lifting (and not everybody is mind control material) and have a hard time functioning in society as a reproduction.


Lizard patrol very interesting term for those who have any knowledge of the NWO and those behind it.
Now please don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the young people who join the military are bad people or know anything about what is going on inside the armed forces. For the most part they truly think they are defending their country. Most if not all are ignorant of what will happen to them in boot camp. Boot camp is intended to makes mind control slaves out of the soldiers so they will carry out any command without second thought.

Now, I understand why you think it is ok to get angry and that is your choice. The two of us will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Love and Light, Midge

[BlaznFattyz]

the anger you are referring to falls under automatic thinking, which is primitive.

the anger Q is referring to falls under controlled thinking, which is conscious.

the soldier was angry which was automatic and could have gone nowhere, however his training which kicked in, which falls under learned behaviour, was controlled because he thought out a plan before hand and his anger helped him do what others could not, and the anger also assisted in psyching himself up to hold on for as long as he did. whether he knew it at the time or after, he learned that anger can be used as a tool if controlled to serve a purpose.

controlled thinking is thought out and has a purpose, even to the point of premeditated body language, voice, and action for effect.

[Marietta]

Dear taijasi,
I agree with you 100% but without the anger. Do not let them pull you into their trap of anger. Don't you see the IMO here.

I have never had a discussion with a christian that when giving a differing view from the one they held, that they didn't at some point end up getting very angry and nasty. It is unknowingly used as a means of vampiring energy.

I am sending calm and healing energy your way to surround you and keep you at ease.

I for one injoy reading what you post so keep up the good work.

With Love and Light, Midge

[taijasi]

Well thank you, Midge. Hopefully, if nothing else, I might prove a point with my earlier post ... I'd hope that it would evidence that anger, in & of itself, is a poison. In Buddhism, it is one of the `kleshas.' Catholicism recognizes it as a "Deadly Sin."

So, the Catholic (hmmm, I think I know one or two around here somewhere) will have to accept that Jesus was practicing a DEADLY SIN ... no matter what he chose to do with it, or convert it into.

Bottom line: Christ didn't get mad. PERIOD. End of story.

But then, if we prefer to create Christ, Jesus, God, whatever else we like in our own image, then of course, we can ascribe ALL SORTS of properties, qualities and so forth.

It's the syruppy sweet, sappy, gushy, sentimentalism that I think sometimes drives me the nutsiest when it comes to candy-coated Christianity ... but at least this is all stuff tailor-made to make people feel good, and that's better than walking around with a big angry, vengeant, judgmental man in your head. Put 'em both together, call it `god,' and ... well, that's the stuff nightmares are made of.

No wonder people fear going to hell. But I don't think it's `the devil' they need to worry about.

Anyway, thanks Midge. It was a bit out of line of me to fire off earlier, and for that - I apologize. I guess I just got a little ticked at your condescension, Q. But then, I've never particularly enjoyed people talking that way to me, so perhaps the human anger-reaction is understandable.

I guess if I were God, it would be totally okay? Along with a couple of those lightning-bolts up .... err, I mean, down onto my subjects?

Yeah right.

Kenod wrote: "Christian anger is to do with injustice and the welfare of others."

There is something called righteous indignation. This can precede a valiant defence of those who are unjustly attacked ... or fuel & inspire one to great acts of charity and kindness. I do agree, Kenod. And yes, that has nothing to do with pettiness.

But this `anger,' like the `fear' we are supposed to have of the Lord, is a FAR cry from what the word means to most of us, nowadays. Instead of fear, we should read veneration, respect, reverence, and awe. Likewise, for anger, we should read indignation, even enthusiasm.

Added: So was Jesus enthused about the money-changing going on in the Temple? Well, yes actually! He was charged up because it offered him a perfect opportunity to point out the backwards state of things. He didn't suddenly behold something that he had never seen before.

Come on, folks. This was KNOWN to him. You figure, he did what - brooded over it, and steamed over it, and just couldn't resist losing his cool when they finally came upon the scene? DOH! Err, not! An actor, on stage, who has carefully trained for a part ... IS ABLE to convey true, genuine, righteous indignation (or "anger"), and this is precisely what Christ Jesus did.

So did he "lose it?" Did he lose his cool? Did he fly off the handle? Was he out of control? Nope. Not for a second. The man who could walk on water, was pretty well in touch - and in control - of his emotions. That, after all, is what it means ... and he could still the waters, as well as walk on them. Thus, he also knew how to stir them up. Properly.

But if the point that folks are making is that an explosion of anger is an opportunity for learning & growth ... then this is far more important than babbling on about what happened when Jesus went to church.

taijasi

[Dor]

Do not worry Taj we still love yall even when yall lose it cause we will not toss our beliefs.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Marietta

I have never had a discussion with a christian that when giving a differing view from the one they held, that they didn't at some point end up getting very angry and nasty. It is unknowingly used as a means of vampiring energy.

Of course people have been know to see anger and nasty where none is.

[Marietta]

Dor, Could you please explain why you think that anybody here other than those getting angry are trying to change the religious beliefs of others?
I am only here sharing what I believe. I believe that all beliefs are valid and believe that it is what is in our hearts that really matters. Which is reflected in how we live our lives and how we interact with other people. My belief is that a person doesn't have to believe in God to go to Heaven. What is more important than a belief in God is if a person has come to a point in his evolutionary growth where he/she lives a good life with respect for the free will of others. I don't believe that God is petty, jealous, hateful and angry or has any of the negative ego based attributes that seek exultation and worship in order to makes itself feel good. God is perfection and in need of nothing. God understands the confusion in this plane of existence and it is ok for us to all see and understand God in our own unique different manner.
With Lots of Love and Light, Midge

[Marietta]

Dear taijasi, You are welcome. I can sence your energy and fell it is at peace and in a good place.
Love and Light, Midge

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Marietta

Dor, Could you please explain why you think that anybody here other than those getting angry are trying to change the religious beliefs of others?
I am only here sharing what I believe. I believe that all beliefs are valid and believe that it is what is in our hearts that really matters.

Sorry I do not really believe that.
Well maybe you do believe they are valid if they do not have to do with the Bible and Christ. You show clearly with your posts the contempt you have for the Bible and the way you talk down that you clearly see your self above all of us backwoods, unenlighted Christians.

[Marietta]

Hello Dor,

I'm very sorry that I have given you the impression that I am talking down anybody or anything. I surely do not see myself as bing above ANYHBODY. look down on the bible. All I have

Sorry I do not really believe that.
Well maybe you do believe they are valid if they do not have to do with the Bible and Christ. You show clearly with your posts the contempt you have for the Bible and the way you talk down that you clearly see your self above all of us backwoods, unenlighted Christians.

[Marietta]

Hello Dor,

I'm very sorry that I have given you the impression that I am talking down to you or anybody else or talking down your beliefs. This is truly not my intent.

I surely do not see myself as bing above ANYHBODY. I am struggling to find my own way much less trying to tell anybody else which direction to take.

You have also misinterpreted my intentions as to my thoughts about the bible. I do not have any contempt for the bible or anything else for that matter. However I do see contradictions and things in the translations of the bible that are not indictive of a Loving, Perfect Divine Being. This is my choice and I am not asking you to agree with me. I am only sharing my thoughts on the matter. Isn't that the reason this forum was set up?

Source (God) allows for us to question, which brings about answers. Jesus said "seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be given to you."
I have been knocking and seeking all of my life.

If you feel that what I have posted in any manner is stating that you are backwoods and or unenlightened, it is your own mind telling you this not my words.

As much dificulty as you are having following what I am trying to say in the simpliest terms I can find, can't you see how much confusion one can find in the scriptures.

Love and Light, Midge

[Terrence]

OK...OK, I'm a Chrsitian now. Here's my Christian answer:

The word Trinity is not in the Bible and was coined by a 2nd century Christian named Tertullian. Prior to that guy, the early saints used words like...Umm? ..Sorry, going by memory here...OK, I forgot the names (do a google seach, I dont feel like it) . Anyway, early saints had other names to describe the God in the Bible, but it was Tertullian who came up with the word "Trinity" to describe the nature of the Godhead. That nature is described as being ONE God in essence but being triune in nature. The Godhead is made up of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit. Each of the three seperate persons within the Godhead are co-eternal and one in essence but their is still distintion - The Father is not the Son or is He the Holy Spirit. The Godhead works as thus: From eternity past, the Father chosen some sinners for salvation, the Son died to purchase those sinners, and the Spirit seals them unto the day of redemption. The Son submits to the Father in Love and the Spirit submits to the Son, who again points to the Father. Hence, we see all members within the Godhead proforming the works of salvation from begining to end wereby He alone will get the Glory and His people the joy - best of both possible worlds.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by taijasi

Lol, well - as you say, Q, God Bless that poor, misguided man, His Holiness the Dalai Lama, who is so terribly confused and misinformed as to what are and aren't helpful, healthy emotions. I borrow many of my views, and understandings, from his books Healing Anger, and Healing Emotions .... and THANK GOD I ran into you, Q & Kenod!!!

What WOULD I have ever done without you!?!
taijasa

Most likely not got up in arms over a concept you don't believe in anyway...

[taijasi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Most likely not got up in arms over a concept you don't believe in anyway...

Hmm, I think I'll keep track of what I do and don't believe in, if that's okay with you, Q.

I believe in a Trinity, as well as in a Septenate (for reasons that I hope are obvious, this being the Christian forum ). And I believe the Trinity existed from (almost) the earliest stages of Creation, and for trillions (sic) of years prior to the evolution of our solar system.

The Trinity I believe in is reflected, much as light in a mirror, down the through worlds ... until it finds an echo, and literally an embodiment in every single atom. If we began speaking of the trinities in a human being, we would never cease.

The Christian Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, means something a bit different to me, as a student of the Ageless Wisdom. But to say I don't believe in it, is like saying I don't believe there is a sky above, or an earth below. We can even agree that the sky is blue, but one man will take note of the phase of the moon, while another may point to a flock of geese. A third person can observe the prana floating in the air, and behold the gift of life itself.


This reminds me of one of my favorite Floyd songs, or the end of it, anyway:

Childhood's End (Gilmour)

You shout in your sleep.
Perhaps the price is just too steep.
Is your conscience at rest
If once put to the test?
You awake with a start
To just the beating of your heart.
Just one man beneath the sky,
Just two ears, just two eyes.

You set sail across the sea
Of long past thoughts and memories.
Childhood's end, your fantasies
Merge with harsh realities.
And then as the sail is hoist,
You find your eyes are growing moist.
All the fears never voiced
Say you have to make your final choice.

Who are you and who am I
To say we know the reason why?
Some are born; some men die
Beneath one infinite sky.
There'll be war, there'll be peace.
But everything one day will cease.
All the iron turned to rust;
All the proud men turned to dust.
And so all things, time will mend.
So this song will end.

I also think Agnideva cast some light on the Trinity a bit earlier, on the Hindu forum. It's over my head, some of it, but it complements what I believe - via the lens of Christianity - and reminds me that ... The Tao that can be named, is not the Eternal Tao. This has relevance to every religion, and I think it even applies to each Aspect of the Christian Trinity ... and of course, to the Absolute.

Namaskar,


taijasi