The Trinity of Christianity

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Marietta

You said that you know God personally. How can you know an abstract idea personally? When you met this person to develop this person-al relationship was did this meeting take place?

Perhaps you mean “where” did this meeting take place … well, this meeting took place in my heart. What we know with out heart is more certain than what we know with our mind.

If you know God personally, you should be able to describe this person. To know a person personally implies that you have met and this person and know this person well.

He is loving, forgiving, patient, comforting, just … and He has a great sense of humour (after all He made penguins!)

When was the last time you saw God and how do you know this being you met and have a relationship with was God?

The last time I saw God was today when I looked into my mother’s eyes who is lying in a hospital bed racked with pain. I know I saw God because He is the one who gives her the inner strength, faith and courage to go on.

If you have never personally met this being you call God, how can you claim to have a personal relationship with this being?

The most important aspect of any relationship is love.
I loved each one of my children before I ever held them in my arms, because they are a part of me.
I am God’s child, and I am a part of Him. I feel His arms around me.

[Marietta]

Hello Kenod, Thank you for the reply.
Why do you refer to God as HE? Isn't it the She that gives life, nurtures, loves and supports life. Isn't it the HE that goes to war, taking life, is angry and demanding, desiring total control of others. The traits you have stated are more feminine than masculine.
You stated that the last time you saw god was looking into your mother's eyes (feminine). Are you saying that your mother is god (or a part of god)?
You stated that god is the one who gave her the strength to go on and I need to ask why you don't see hear as having this power within herself? It sounds like you are giving your mothers power away to this male god. Don't we all have our own inner strength and/or will?

We are in tatal agreement that the most important aspect of any relationship is Love. And the bottom line is we are all sons and daughters of God which is our relationship to God. The First Source of All things is PURE RADILANT LOVE!

Love and Light, Midge

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Marietta

Hello Kenod, Thank you for the reply.
Why do you refer to God as HE? Isn't it the She that gives life, nurtures, loves and supports life. Isn't it the HE that goes to war, taking life, is angry and demanding, desiring total control of others. The traits you have stated are more feminine than masculine.
You stated that the last time you saw god was looking into your mother's eyes (feminine). Are you saying that your mother is god (or a part of god)?
You stated that god is the one who gave her the strength to go on and I need to ask why you don't see hear as having this power within herself? It sounds like you are giving your mothers power away to this male god. Don't we all have our own inner strength and/or will?

We are in tatal agreement that the most important aspect of any relationship is Love. And the bottom line is we are all sons and daughters of God which is our relationship to God. The First Source of All things is PURE RADILANT LOVE!

Love and Light, Midge

I don't see God as having gender as we understand it. I can only relate to God as he has revealed Himself to me, and that is as my Heavenly Father, and my Redeemer.

One could argue that Life comes from the male since without fertilization an egg is dead tissue. One could also argue that fighting is a perversion of the masculine trait of protection. But lets not go there!

People can draw inner strength and courage from many sources. My mother tells me hers comes from God ... like a good son, I take notice of my Mum
And yes, my mother is a part of God, in the sense that all children are a part of their parents. That is the significance of the term "born again".

[wil]

Originally Posted by kenod

I can only relate to God as he has revealed Himself to me, and that is as my Heavenly Father, and my Redeemer.

Can you expound on this? Did he reveal himself to you as these things or is this something that you read?

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by Marietta

Why do you refer to God as HE?

God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit are referred to as He and Him thoughout the entire bible so there is no confusion of the nature of God and how he has revealed himself. One that wants to philosophize the revealed nature of God and start putting she or it where it does not exist will be confused.

[Marietta]

Hello Kenod,
Please help with my curiousity. How did god reveal himself to you as far as being your heavenly father and redeemer as opposed to your heavenly mother and supporter?

It is possible for a female to impregnate without the male being involved, which through history has been termed virgin birth or immaculate conception. Conception is only immaculate if the male is not involved, no sperm piercing the egg causing trauma. The female has embodied within her genes all that is necessary to fertilize and egg and bring it to term.
The male has X, Y chromosomes and the female has the perfect X, X chromosomes. The Y is a mutated X missing one of its legs.
Virgin births have been reported through out history and many have been reported in this day and age.

I can see where fighting could be a perversion of protection which is imperfection and the opposite of nurturing. If you are perfect LOVE without ego, you don't use aggressive protection of any kind, you protect yourself with the pure energy of LOVE.

We are all part of Source. Nothing exists outside of Source, we are all sparks of sources consciousness.

The term "born again" comes from the teaching of reincarnation which was taught in the church prior to the council of Nicia. John 3:3-8

Love and Light, Midge

[wil]

Originally Posted by Marietta

Virgin births have been reported through out history and many have been reported in this day and age.

Have been reported I believe...but studied and found that the offspring did not contain any chromosones that the mother did not have....I'd like to see that one...

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

What

is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?

The

New Encyclopædia Britannica says: "Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since."—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: "The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: "Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching."—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.
According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, "The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions."—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.


John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: "The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians."—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

lol, and the Trinity suits me just fine. I wouldn't have it anyother way.

[Marietta]

Hello BlaznFattyz,
Nice to have this opportunity to share thoughts with you. Are you aware that the bible has been manipulated over and over finally at the council of Nicia a theology was put together along with a translation to match it.
God didn't reveal this about himself, it is what those at the council of Nicia decided to teach. Then came the inquisition which began in the 1100's and lasted into the 1600's during which time anybody who opposed the teachings of the new found church were killed.
Please give me the reference in the old testament where God is referred to as the father. Also give me the new Testament reference you are speaking of, I have found most of the time that it is a mistranslation.
Thank you for your input.
Love and Light, Midge

[wil]

Namaste mee....I've got a question....we've got this group of people that got together and out of all the possible books put together 66 of them. Now this same group of people, or rather a group that was formed the same way the earlier group was, sanctioned by the same authority and all...they came together and added another decision to the mix pertaining to the 66 stories they found to be valuable...

What is the justification to deciding to hold the first decision holy beyond reproach and completely discount the second one. I am asking you, it would be beneficial if you didn't quote any of the books from the first decision as your justification for negating the second decision.

[Marietta]

Hello Wil, Thanks for the response. However, I don't understand what you are trying to say. Please clarify.
Love and Light, Midge


Wil stated:
Have been reported I believe...but studied and found that the offspring did not contain any chromosones that the mother did not have....I'd like to see that one...

[Marietta]

Hello mee, Thank you for this information.
The Shema refers to unification of consciousness. The unified filed from which all that exists sprang into being.
The Hebrew word "Achad" that is translated as One means to unite as does the English word one. Which can mean a single object which is made up of millions of atoms or a unified thought or group unified in thought or purpose. We are all part of this unified field of consciousness we call god. The First Source of all that is, which is referred to as God is out of dimensionality and beyond our comprehension due to our limited knowledge of nothing -ness which is everything -ness.
Love and Light, Midge

[soma]

I agree that this unified field is byond our comprehension. This unity of consciousness is not a new concept some call it God as you mentioned, but we must open up to it to make it effective so it can change our lives, making us aware that our bodies are in harmony with God, and His power is within. God flows through every atom of our being fortifying, energizing and renewing, but we are not aware of it. Embracing and identifying with unity, instead of our minds easily opens our being to the influx of new ideas, new thoughts, new people, and the new situations that come into our experience.
Drawing upon the invisible forces of unity we can feel the oneness and see that responsibility, decision-making and optimism all flow together in one universal consciousness, where God is an obvious reality. When a deep awareness of unity is established, one benefits tremendously physically, mentally and spiritually because the habit of being positive is acquired, and God is no longer a closed concept, but an infinite vast always present consciousness.

http://thinkunity.com

[Marietta]

Hello Soma, Thank you for this great post. Once we realize our potential as being part of this unified field of consciousness all sorts of possibilities open up to us.
I like the web site you have linked with your posts.
Love and Light, Marietta

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by soma

I agree that this unified field is byond our comprehension. This unity of consciousness is not a new concept some call it God as you mentioned, but we must open up to it to make it effective so it can change our lives, making us aware that our bodies are in harmony with God, and His power is within. God flows through every atom of our being fortifying, energizing and renewing, but we are not aware of it. Embracing and identifying with unity, instead of our minds easily opens our being to the influx of new ideas, new thoughts, new people, and the new situations that come into our experience.
Drawing upon the invisible forces of unity we can feel the oneness and see that responsibility, decision-making and optimism all flow together in one universal consciousness, where God is an obvious reality. When a deep awareness of unity is established, one benefits tremendously physically, mentally and spiritually because the habit of being positive is acquired, and God is no longer a closed concept, but an infinite vast always present consciousness.

http://thinkunity.com

The problem with that, is the loss of self in the collective all. I believe that is where alot of people balk at becoming one with the Supreme (e.g. I want to walk with God, not get lost in Him). That is most likely the reason that a great deal of Christians identify with the Holy Trinity. One God, three personages that are distinct.

I mean, what good is being human, only to in the end become an amalgamation of a Super Consciousness? God might as well have not created man in the first place, if that was His intention for our existence to begin with (which I do not think is the case, else there would have been a need for a companion for man, because of his being "alone", before the "fall").

No, I like my uniqueness, in my relationship with God (I also like His companionship, don't get me wrong).

Maybe it is a cultural thing, but I doubt it.

v/r

Q