The Trinity of Christianity

[The Fool]

I saw an interpretation, and thought I would throw it in here for discussion...

Is the following a proper appraisal of the Trinity of Christianity?

There are Three Persons in the Godhead or Trinity.
These three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, form the eternal Godhead. They are not one person, as erroneously declared by modern Christian churches, but are separate and distinct substances, though one in mind and power and dominion. Jesus of Nazareth, as the Son of God, was a personality as distinct from the personality of the eternal Father as is that of any earthly son from his father. The Holy Spirit, though proceeding from both the Father and the Son, is not either of them, but has an identity of his own. It is true that Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." (John x:30.) But he also said, "My Father is greater than I." (John xiv:28.)

That the unity of the Godhead is not oneness in person is made very clear in the account of the baptism of Jesus Christ; the Son on that occasion coming up out of the waters of Jordan, the Holy Spirit descending upon him in the form of a dove, and the voice of the Father from heaven proclaiming, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matt. iii:16-17.)

Jesus said, "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world." Again, "I leave the world and go to the Father." (John xvi:28.) He also prayed the Father, and in the prayer recorded by John explained in unmistakable language what he meant when he declared, "I and my Father are one."

After praying for his apostles, he said: "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their words, that they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us. That the world may believe that thou hast sent me." (John xvii:20, 21.)

Concerning the Holy Spirit he said: "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter (Holy Ghost) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." (Chap. xvi:7.)

Many more of the sayings of the Savior might be adduced, but these are sufficient to show the distinct personality of each of the three that form the Godhead, while they are in perfect unity of mind and purpose and action. If they were one substance, as taught in modern Christendom, then all who believe on them, in all ages, are to be made also one substance, thus losing their identity and becoming one vast, incomprehensible and inconceivable finality.

[Zazen]

it sounds like whomever made the interpretation is trying to understand god intellectualy, which is to say by means of understanding on a mundane level, which is impossible because to understand god you have to transcend this mundane reality

its only logical right? that to understand something that is beyond our logic you would have to transcend the thought process to something like..intuitive understanding

amitabha

[JJM]

I believe that God, that is the father, doesn’t leave heaven because there is no time In heaven. That I don’t pretend to understand. How can we in a world that is completely controlled by time. I don’t agree that they are not one person I believe that Jesus is a human with the soul and understanding of God. But while God at the time may have been greater than him it was because he had at the time a human side and all of the weaknesses that come along with it. When Jesus died and returned to heaven weather or not he a God staid separate entity or if their souls returned in unity it doesn’t change that they are very much the same person. I think that because God doesn’t leave heaven The Holy spirit is his way of communicating and giving emotional strength and happiness to people. I also think that is in fact the same person just with different responsibilities.

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I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.
Socrates

[sjr]

That sounds alot like the The Church of Jesus Christ of L.D.S interpretation of the godhead.Willing to bet on it.Kashmir Sivaism has a similar one-everything has a triple nature.At the highest level, this trinity can be resumed to:God(Siva),sakti-Gods creative energy(Holly Ghost),and Anu-the individual(Jesus).

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by sjr

That sounds alot like the The Church of Jesus Christ of L.D.S interpretation of the godhead.Willing to bet on it.

Spot on.

[Susma Rio Sep]

Originally Posted by Zazen

it sounds like whomever made the interpretation is trying to understand god intellectualy, which is to say by means of understanding on a mundane level, which is impossible because to understand god you have to transcend this mundane reality

its only logical right? that to understand something that is beyond our logic you would have to transcend the thought process to something like..intuitive understanding

amitabha

The Trinity is a Zen word puzzle like the one about the sound of one hand clapping or a forest of one tree or an irresistible force heading onto an immovable object.

The official line is that there is one substance but in three persons. Each person is that one substance but they three don't make three substances.

Here, from a modern Zen master: The Trinity, it’s the three is one and the one is three, and it’s a mysteree.

"its only logical right? that to understand something that is beyond our logic you would have to transcend the thought process to something like..intuitive understanding”; you mean, Zaren, that you must be brain-anesthetized?

By the way, Zaren, at least tell me where you picked up this line:

In nomine patrie,et fili et spiritu sancti..

For pastime I am searching its source in the WWW.

Love,

Susma Rio Sep

[Susma Rio Sep]

Here, Zaren, I found it in the WWW with Google:

Google Search: "In nomine patrie,et fili et spiritu sancti".

Results 1 - 10 of about 72. Search took 0.12 seconds

(Hit locations follow... first ten...)

Well, I guess you want to make some kind of a statement with that peculiar phrasing. I won't begrudge you that privilege. So I will not any longer exercise my curiosity about it and its special effect you intend with it.

Susma Rio Sep

[enton]

Originally Posted by The Fool

I saw an interpretation, and thought I would throw it in here for discussion...

Is the following a proper appraisal of the Trinity of Christianity?

There is no such thing as trinity of christianity, lol. Or maybe, you are just talking about "trinity" in Roman Catholicism and other trinitarians.

What the Bible gives is this: There are three: God the Father, the Son of God or the Word of God and the Holy Spirit.

God the Father begot Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father, not from Christ Jesus directly, though Jesus Christ sent him in the church.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by JJM

I believe that God, that is the father, doesn’t leave heaven because there is no time In heaven. That I don’t pretend to understand. How can we in a world that is completely controlled by time. I don’t agree that they are not one person I believe that Jesus is a human with the soul and understanding of God. But while God at the time may have been greater than him it was because he had at the time a human side and all of the weaknesses that come along with it. When Jesus died and returned to heaven weather or not he a God staid separate entity or if their souls returned in unity it doesn’t change that they are very much the same person. I think that because God doesn’t leave heaven The Holy spirit is his way of communicating and giving emotional strength and happiness to people. I also think that is in fact the same person just with different responsibilities.

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I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.
Socrates

very nice post.

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by enton

There is no such thing as trinity of christianity, lol. Or maybe, you are just talking about "trinity" in Roman Catholicism and other trinitarians.

What the Bible gives is this: There are three: God the Father, the Son of God or the Word of God and the Holy Spirit.

God the Father begot Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father, not from Christ Jesus directly, though Jesus Christ sent him in the church.

Perhaps the Trinity is Christianity's version of the "optical illusion." Some see a Trinity. Other see something different. Yet it's still Christianity.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by enton

There is no such thing as trinity of christianity, lol. Or maybe, you are just talking about "trinity" in Roman Catholicism and other trinitarians.

What the Bible gives is this: There are three: God the Father, the Son of God or the Word of God and the Holy Spirit.

God the Father begot Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father, not from Christ Jesus directly, though Jesus Christ sent him in the church.

Well, I do appreciate your opinion. Thank you for sharing.

v/r

Q

[enton]

Originally Posted by Saltmeister

Perhaps the Trinity is Christianity's version of the "optical illusion." Some see a Trinity. Other see something different. Yet it's still Christianity.

Let me clarify, they were three there: Moses, Elijah, Christ. But God the Father eliminated the two, thereby confirming the New Covenant, Moses being the Old Covenant, and Elijah the bridge of the old and the new.

Moses' and Elijah's appearances there were but just optical illusions.

[enton]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Well, I do appreciate your opinion. Thank you for sharing.

v/r

Q

Thanks be to YHWH. Actually, Q, that is what I have learned from our presiding ministers (Brother Eli Soriano and Brother Daniel Razon). They taught the brethren what the early christians learned and practised.

[AletheiaRivers]

Originally Posted by enton

They taught the brethren what the early christians learned and practised.

Which early Christians?

The Ebionites?

The Proto-orthodox?

The Gnostics?

The post-Nicene Christians?

[enton]

Originally Posted by AletheiaRivers

Which early Christians?

The Ebionites?

The Proto-orthodox?

The Gnostics?

The post-Nicene Christians?

The christians definitively described in the New Testament of the Holy Bible.