The True Name of God - Page 4

Hermano Luis · 11-22-2008, 08:04 PM

Wow! I never thought that the little essay about the Name of God would produce so many commentaries. Nevertheless what I said in the original post stands.

My spirituality is not Bible based. I believe in God. I do not believe that God has a name for I strongly believe that God is beyond all Names and Forms. I believe that God is a loving God and the God of all. I still believe that the names we give God are names that are born of our devotion and understanding.

To those who believe that the name of God is Jehovah I will simply say, "Yes it is for you, but not for many of us." All the names that God has received are the result
of our love and our spiritual culture. Invoke God by the name that you feel is correct, but invoke God with LOVE.

Hermano Luis
Moriviví Hermitage

mee · 11-23-2008, 04:47 PM

his personality and attributes—who and what he is—are fully summed up and expressed only in this personal name.—Ps 83:18.

juantoo3 · 11-23-2008, 06:53 PM

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I guess those those pesky English translators got it wrong.. Pretty good article actually.. I had heard this one time that some of the translators of the King James Bible did so on horse back... Anyone else heard that?

Actually I did read that in Payne's book, but as I recall the translator in question was deciphering the apocrypha, the part left out of the Protestant Bible nowadays.

arthra · 11-24-2008, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Actually I did read that in Payne's book, but as I recall the translator in question was deciphering the apocrypha, the part left out of the Protestant Bible nowadays.

Thanks for confirming that... I heard a professor mention it many years ago and I think because it struck me as being rather odd it stuck there in my otherwise faulty memory!

- Art

mee · 11-24-2008, 09:28 AM

The so-called Christians, then, who "replaced the Tetragrammaton by kyrios" in the Septuagint copies, were not the early disciples of Jesus. They were persons of later centuries, when the foretold apostasy was well developed and had corrupted the purity of Christian teachings.—2Th 2:3; 1Ti 4:1.

ThePerson Identified by the Name. Jehovah is the Creator of all things, the great First Cause; hence he is uncreated, without beginning. (Re 4:11)

"In number his years are beyond searching." (Job 36:26)

It is impossible to place an age upon him, for there is no starting point from which to measure. Though ageless, he is properly called "the Ancient of Days" since his existence stretches endlessly into the past. (Da 7:9, 13)

He is also without future end (Re 10:6), being incorruptible, undying. He is therefore called "the King of eternity" (1Ti 1:17), to whom a thousand years are but as a night watch of a few hours.—Ps 90:2, 4; Jer 10:10; Hab 1:12; Re 15:3.

Despite his timelessness, Jehovah is preeminently a historical God, identifying himself with specific times, places, persons, and events.

In his dealings with mankind he has acted according to an exact timetable. (Ge 15:13, 16; 17:21; Ex 12:6-12; Ga 4:4)

Because his eternal existence is undeniable and the most fundamental fact in the universe, he has sworn by it in oaths, saying, "As I am alive," thereby guaranteeing the absolute certainty of his promises and prophecies. (Jer 22:24; Zep 2:9; Nu 14:21, 28; Isa 49:18)

Men, too, took oaths, swearing by the fact of Jehovah’s existence. (Jg 8:19; Ru 3:13) Only senseless ones say: "There is no Jehovah."—Ps 14:1; 10:4.

mee · 12-01-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermano Luis

To those who believe that the name of God is Jehovah I will simply say, "Yes it is for you, but not for many of us." All the names that God has received are the result
of our love and our spiritual culture. Invoke God by the name that you feel is correct, but invoke God with LOVE.

Hermano Luis
Moriviví Hermitage

Jehovah

Definition:

The personal name of the only true God. His own self-designation. Jehovah is the Creator and, rightfully, the Sovereign Ruler of the universe. "Jehovah" is translated from the Hebrew Tetragrammaton, יהוה, which means "He Causes to Become." These four Hebrew letters are represented in many languages by the letters JHVH or YHWH.

Where is God’s name found in Bible translations that are commonly used today?

TheNew English Bible: The name Jehovah appears at Exodus 3:15; 6:3. See also Genesis 22:14; Exodus 17:15; Judges 6:24; Ezekiel 48:35. (But if this and other translations use "Jehovah" in several places, why not be consistent in using it at every place where the Tetragrammaton appears in the Hebrew text?)

RevisedStandard Version: A footnote on Exodus 3:15 says: "The word LORD when spelled with capital letters, stands for the divine name, YHWH."

Today’s English Version: A footnote on Exodus 6:3 states: "THE LORD: . . . Where the Hebrew text has Yahweh, traditionally transliterated as Jehovah, this translation employs LORD with capital letters, following a usage which is widespread in English

versions."

King James Version: The name Jehovah is found at Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah

12:2; 26:4. See also Genesis 22:14; Exodus 17:15; Judges 6:24.

American Standard Version: The name Jehovah is used consistently in the Hebrew Scriptures in this translation, beginning with Genesis 2:4.

Douay Version: A footnote on Exodus 6:3 says: "My name Adonai. The name, which is in the Hebrew text, is that most proper name of God, which signifieth his eternal, self-existing being, (Exod. 3, 14,) which the Jews out of reverence never pronounce; but, instead of it, whenever it occurs in the Bible, they read Adonai, which signifies the Lord; and, therefore, they put the points or vowels, which belong to the name Adonai, to the four letters of that other ineffable name, Jod, He, Vau, He. Hence some moderns have framed the name of Jehovah, unknown to all the ancients, whether Jews or Christians; for the true pronunciation of the name, which is in the Hebrew text, by long disuse is now quite lost." (It is interesting that The Catholic Encyclopedia [1913, Vol. VIII, p. 329] states: "Jehovah, the proper name of God in the Old Testament; hence the Jews called it the name by excellence, the great name, the only name.")

The Holy Bible translated by Ronald A. Knox: The name Yahweh is found in footnotes at Exodus 3:14 and 6:3.

The New American Bible: A footnote on Exodus 3:14 favors the form "Yahweh," but the name does not appear in the main text of the translation. In the Saint Joseph Edition, see also the appendix Bible Dictionary under "Lord" and "Yahweh."

The Jerusalem Bible: The Tetragrammaton is translated Yahweh, starting with its first occurrence, at Genesis 2:4.

New World Translation: The name Jehovah is used in both the Hebrew and the Christian Greek Scriptures in this translation, appearing 7,210 times.

An American Translation: At Exodus 3:15 and 6:3 the name Yahweh is used, followed by "the LORD" in brackets.

The Bible in Living English, S. T. Byington: The name Jehovah is used throughout the Hebrew Scriptures.

The ‘Holy Scriptures’ translated by J. N. Darby: The name Jehovah appears throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, also in many footnotes on Christian Greek Scripture texts, beginning with Matthew 1:20.

The Emphatic Diaglott, Benjamin Wilson: The name Jehovah is found at Matthew 21:9 and in 17 other places in this translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures.

The Holy Scriptures According to the Masoretic Text—A New Translation, Jewish Publication Society of America, Max Margolis editor-in-chief: At Exodus 6:3 the Hebrew Tetragrammaton appears in the English text.

The Holy Bible translated by Robert Young: The name Jehovah is found throughout the Hebrew Scriptures in this literal translation.

Hermano Luis · 12-04-2008, 05:05 PM

I learned something when I started my spiritual training: everyone has the freedom to believe as they so desire. Religious beliefs belong to the realm of the subjective. Religion is neither history nor science. I have come to understand that religion is a combination of myths, histories, legends, and spiritual disciplines that help man in the path to spiritual enlightenment.

Some people believe that the Bible is the Word of God, others believe that it is the Qur'an, still others believe that it is the Vedas or the Zend Avesta or any other Sacred Book. I do not believe that there is any book that can be considered the "Word of God." Nevertheless I do believe that those books are the spiritual testimony of their authors, and that they have spiritual value for those who study them with sinceriy and faith.

There are people who believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that His teachings are the true teachings that bring spiritual liberation to mankind; some others believe that Gautama Buddha is the true saviour of mankind, still others believe that only through Bhagavan Krishna and His teachings is spiritual emancipation found. I believe that the teachings of these spiritual teachers together with the teachings of other spiritual teachers can lead mankind to spiritual emancipation. I also believe that all human beings have the potentials of a Jesus Christ, a Gautama Buddha, or a Bhagavan Krishna.

I definitely blieve in God. People of other religions also believe in God for, as one of my teachers used say, God is the God of all. Some people believe that God has a specific and unique Name: Allah, Jehovah, Ahura Mazda, Ishwar, Brahman, etc. I strongly believe that God does not have a particular Name; nevertheless, each name that have been given to God is a name of Love, and to a certain point each of those names are the Names of God.

To believe that only the Name of God that I cherish is the true name of God is like saying "Only my watch gives the right time." I love God. I respect every name that mankind throught the ages has given God, each name reflects our understanding and love of God.

Personally I call God the Beloved One, it is not a name, but it expressess how I feel about God, for to me God is the Lord of Love.

"To be unified with the Lord of Love
Is to be freed from all conditioning" (The Tejabindu Upanishad).

Hermano Luis
Moriviví Hermitage

mee · 03-16-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermano Luis

My position is, has been, and will continue to be that mankind can call God by as many Names as it wants to, but if those Names are not infused with our devotion, with our love, they are meaningless... they are simply words.

To insist that ONLY the Name of God that is used by "my religion" is the True Name of God is very negative dogmatism. The only thing that it accomplishes is to create division among those who sincerely love God. What is so difficult in accepting that those who love God call Him/Her be differnt Names?

May the love of the Beloved One shine in our hearts!

Hermano Luis
Moriviví Hermitage

The name JEHOVAH means
(HE CAUSES TO BECOME) and there is great meaning in that most high name .

Hermano Luis · 03-18-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

The name JEHOVAH means
(HE CAUSES TO BECOME) and there is great meaning in that most high name .

Yes... you have mentioned that a few times. You and your spiritual community believe that the name of God is JEHOVAH. I am sure that fills your heart with great joy. May you be blessed!

Hermano Luis

mee · 03-19-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hermano luis

yes... You have mentioned that a few times. You and your spiritual community believe that the name of god is jehovah. I am sure that fills your heart with great joy. May you be blessed!

Hermano luis

he causes to become

Hermano Luis · 03-23-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

he causes to become

Yes... you have said it many times.

It is the Beloved One of all religions.

Hermano Luis
Moriviví Hermitage