Theosophical Hierarchy

[Nick the Pilot]

Andre,

Thanks for the update. By the way, your avatar looks like Jesus, yet you said you are not a Christain. Is your avatar a picture of Jesus?

I have typed several posts, only to see them disappear, or appear later. We must alway prepare for posts that do not post. I recommend you do this: Type a post. Then, before you hit the Submit Reply button, highlight and copy the text (if you have Windows), copy the text into a Notepad or WordPad document, then hit the Submit Reply. This way, when the post disappears (it happens often), you can simply cut and paste your reply, and try to post it again.

[Manichaean Seek]

Nick the Pilot,

You said:"Here is where you and I disagree. Even people from Hell should be allowed to reincarnate. In Theosophy, almost everyone has the right to make progress and eventually end up in Nirvana, no matter how bad they have been. (One of the things I like about Theosophy is that it gives everyone an almost unlimited number of chances.)"
I say: What justifies the unlimited amount of chances?

You said: "What is Gnosis?"
I say: Gnosis is gain by experience and is not taught. We learn what the truth really is by gnosis. A good definition is found at Gnostic Judas - What is Gnosis?.

You said: "This brings up to a new topic. Theosophy has the idea that we are continually raising ourselves up to higher and higher levels of consciousness. After we are done on Earth, we will rise to the level of consciousness called Nirvana. Nirvana, however, is only seen as one more step along a Path that leads even higher. (Theosophy sees many levels of consciousness, higher than even Nirvana.) How does this fit into your belief system? Do you see Heaven as the final goal?"
I say: Yes I do think that there is higher levels of consciousness higher and above Nirvana. Indeed the path is long, deep and profound. We, but not all rise up through these levels, some are able to reach even higher ones and some others reach certain levels and still yet continue to advance (experience is therefore essential in this ascent). Heaven may not be final goal, since there are 7 Heavens, and an 8th one being the Highest Heaven, the Land of Light. It is said that it is difficult to get to the 8th Heaven. But with time I see the 8 Heavens becoming 360, 13, 12 etc. This is because I think on the gradual journey. The number 360/365 would be far more correct in its representation. For example, thinking on the above, after the 'completion' on earth, we move onto the 1st Heaven, then we move onto Nirvana, then we perhaps progress to the 2nd Heaven, then we continue onwards. Although considering the 7 Archons, the 360/365 Heavens etc. could be divided into 7 groups, each overseen by one of the seven Archons. The Archons are named by the names of the planets, 7 'sins' and many names, taken from Judaism, Zoroastrianism etc. So Heaven is just really one of the many stages, upon we rest from our labours. It is for all to decide whether or not they continue.

You said: "Do you see these gods and goddesses arranged in some kind of Hierarchy? "
I say: yes.

You said:Theosophy disagrees. The universe is seen as basically a good place. Problems arise because of immaturity, not because of evil forces tempting us.
I say: I forgot to say that as being a Manichean theses forces can be merely spoken as immorality.

You said: I see it the other way around. I guess if it works for you, go for it. Do you see people experiencing bliss between incarnations? You do not call this inter-incarnational-bliss Heaven, correct?
I say: Yes people do experience bliss between incarnations.

You said:Certainly, if we no longer desired physical life, that would remove one thing that prevents us from entering Nirvana. Is that the only criteria you see? I see three more: (1) a minimum level of spirituality, similar to the Light you described earlier (2) a burning off of all bad karma, and (3) a proven record of service to humanity. I am curious how many of these four things you see as necessary to enter Nirvana. Most people are surprised to hear of (3) a proven record of service to humanity, but it makes sense to me.

I say: Well I will say that; all those entering Nirvana will have of course experienced a certain level of spirituality, those entering into Nirvana should have no bad karma and service to humanity is off course, ideal to develop the sense of happiness.It is clear that doing good deeds for the benefit of others helps us even more, that way we will become excellent candidates for Nirvana.

You said:It is time to bring up a new topic. What about people who are working toward Nirvana, but simply run out of time? (The day will come when the Earth is no longer available to us.) What happens to these people, according to your belief system?
I say: I say that they will enter into Nirvana, if they made the choice with good intension.

I am a Gnostic Christian or a Manichaean Christian.
Andre

[Manichaean Seek]

Nick the Pilot,
You said:"Here is where you and I disagree. Even people from Hell should be allowed to reincarnate. In Theosophy, almost everyone has the right to make progress and eventually end up in Nirvana, no matter how bad they have been. (One of the things I like about Theosophy is that it gives everyone an almost unlimited number of chances.)"
I say: What justifies the unlimited amount of chances?
You said: "What is Gnosis?"
I say: Gnosis is gain by experience and is not taught. We learn what the truth really is by gnosis. A good definition is found at Gnostic Judas - What is Gnosis?.
You said: "This brings up to a new topic. Theosophy has the idea that we are continually raising ourselves up to higher and higher levels of consciousness. After we are done on Earth, we will rise to the level of consciousness called Nirvana. Nirvana, however, is only seen as one more step along a Path that leads even higher. (Theosophy sees many levels of consciousness, higher than even Nirvana.) How does this fit into your belief system? Do you see Heaven as the final goal?"
I say: Yes I do think that there is higher levels of consciousness higher and above Nirvana. Indeed the path is long, deep and profound. We, but not all rise up through these levels, some are able to reach even higher ones and some others reach certain levels and still yet continue to advance (experience is therefore essential in this ascent). Heaven may not be final goal, since there are 7 Heavens, and an 8th one being the Highest Heaven, the Land of Light. It is said that it is difficult to get to the 8th Heaven. But with time I see the 8 Heavens becoming 360, 13, 12 etc. This is because I think on the gradual journey. The number 360/365 would be far more correct in its representation. For example, thinking on the above, after the 'completion' on earth, we move onto the 1st Heaven, then we move onto Nirvana, then we perhaps progress to the 2nd Heaven, then we continue onwards. Although considering the 7 Archons, the 360/365 Heavens etc. could be divided into 7 groups, each overseen by one of the seven Archons. The Archons are named by the names of the planets, 7 'sins' and many names, taken from Judaism, Zoroastrianism etc. So Heaven is just really one of the many stages, upon we rest from our labours. It is for all to decide whether or not they continue.
You said: "Do you see these gods and goddesses arranged in some kind of Hierarchy? "
I say: yes.
You said:Theosophy disagrees. The universe is seen as basically a good place. Problems arise because of immaturity, not because of evil forces tempting us.
I say: I forgot to say that as being a Manichean theses forces can be merely spoken as immorality.
You said: I see it the other way around. I guess if it works for you, go for it. Do you see people experiencing bliss between incarnations? You do not call this inter-incarnational-bliss Heaven, correct?
I say: Yes people do experience bliss between incarnations.
You said:Certainly, if we no longer desired physical life, that would remove one thing that prevents us from entering Nirvana. Is that the only criteria you see? I see three more: (1) a minimum level of spirituality, similar to the Light you described earlier (2) a burning off of all bad karma, and (3) a proven record of service to humanity. I am curious how many of these four things you see as necessary to enter Nirvana. Most people are surprised to hear of (3) a proven record of service to humanity, but it makes sense to me.
I say: Well I will say that; all those entering Nirvana will have of course experienced a certain level of spirituality, those entering into Nirvana should have no bad karma and service to humanity is off course, ideal to develop the sense of happiness.It is clear that doing good deeds for the benefit of others helps us even more, that way we will become excellent candidates for Nirvana.
You said:It is time to bring up a new topic. What about people who are working toward Nirvana, but simply run out of time? (The day will come when the Earth is no longer available to us.) What happens to these people, according to your belief system?
I say: I say that they will enter into Nirvana, if they made the choice with good intension.

I am a Gnostic Christian or a Manichaean Christian.
Andre

[Manichaean Seek]

Nick the Pilot,

You said:"Here is where you and I disagree. Even people from Hell should be allowed to reincarnate. In Theosophy, almost everyone has the right to make progress and eventually end up in Nirvana, no matter how bad they have been. (One of the things I like about Theosophy is that it gives everyone an almost unlimited number of chances.)"

I say: What justifies the unlimited amount of chances?

You said: "What is Gnosis?"

I say: Gnosis is gain by experience and is not taught. We learn what the truth really is by gnosis. A good definition is found at Gnostic Judas.

You said: "This brings up to a new topic. Theosophy has the idea that we are continually raising ourselves up to higher and higher levels of consciousness. After we are done on Earth, we will rise to the level of consciousness called Nirvana. Nirvana, however, is only seen as one more step along a Path that leads even higher. (Theosophy sees many levels of consciousness, higher than even Nirvana.) How does this fit into your belief system? Do you see Heaven as the final goal

I say: Yes I do think that there is higher levels of consciousness higher and above Nirvana. Indeed the path is long, deep and profound. We, but not all rise up through these levels, some are able to reach even higher ones and some others reach certain levels and still yet continue to advance (experience is therefore essential in this ascent). Heaven may not be final goal, since there are 7 Heavens, and an 8th one being the Highest Heaven, the Land of Light. It is said that it is difficult to get to the 8th Heaven. But with time I see the 8 Heavens becoming 360, 13, 12 etc. This is because I think on the gradual journey. The number 360/365 would be far more correct in its representation. For example, thinking on the above, after the 'completion' on earth, we move onto the 1st Heaven, then we move onto Nirvana, then we perhaps progress to the 2nd Heaven, then we continue onwards. Although considering the 7 Archons, the 360/365 Heavens etc. could be divided into 7 groups, each overseen by one of the seven Archons. The Archons are named by the names of the planets, 7 'sins' and many names, taken from Judaism, Zoroastrianism etc. So Heaven is just really one of the many stages, upon we rest from our labours. It is for all to decide whether or not they continue.

You said: "Do you see these gods and goddesses arranged in some kind of Hierarchy? "

I say: yes.

You said:Theosophy disagrees. The universe is seen as basically a good place. Problems arise because of immaturity, not because of evil forces tempting us.

I say: I forgot to say that as being a Manichean theses forces can be merely spoken as immorality.

You said: I see it the other way around. I guess if it works for you, go for it. Do you see people experiencing bliss between incarnations? You do not call this inter-incarnational-bliss Heaven, correct?

I say: Yes people do experience bliss between incarnations.

You said:Certainly, if we no longer desired physical life, that would remove one thing that prevents us from entering Nirvana. Is that the only criteria you see? I see three more: (1) a minimum level of spirituality, similar to the Light you described earlier (2) a burning off of all bad karma, and (3) a proven record of service to humanity. I am curious how many of these four things you see as necessary to enter Nirvana. Most people are surprised to hear of (3) a proven record of service to humanity, but it makes sense to me.

I say: Well I will say that; all those entering Nirvana will have of course experienced a certain level of spirituality, those entering into Nirvana should have no bad karma and service to humanity is off course, ideal to develop the sense of happiness.It is clear that doing good deeds for the benefit of others helps us even more, that way we will become excellent candidates for Nirvana.

You said:It is time to bring up a new topic. What about people who are working toward Nirvana, but simply run out of time? (The day will come when the Earth is no longer available to us.) What happens to these people, according to your belief system?

I say: I say that they will enter into Nirvana, if they made the choice with good intension.


I am a Gnostic Christian or a Manichaean Christian.

Andre

[Nick the Pilot]

Andre, you asked,

"What justifies the unlimited amount of chances?"

--> I would not say unlimited, but the chances go on for millions of years. Theosophy teaches that all of us humans are supposed to reach Nirvana by the end of the Earth, yet there will be a few people who do not make it. After that, the next "Earth" will be set up, and today's animals will become that Earth's humans. Today's humans who do not reach Nirvana will be allowed to continue on, on the next Earth, along with the new humans of that Earth. (The idea that today's Earth's Nirvana-failures could then fail to achieve Nirvana on the next Earth is said to be impossible.)

"It is said that it is difficult to get to the 8th Heaven. But with time I see the 8 Heavens becoming 360, 13, 12 etc."

--> I am glad we agree on the idea of stages above Heaven. However, Theosophy says the stages go on, in a seemingly infinite line.

"For example, thinking on the above, after the 'completion' on earth, we move onto the 1st Heaven, then we move onto Nirvana, then we perhaps progress to the 2nd Heaven...."

--> Theosophy sees it a little different. The seven Heaven are only between incarnations. Once we enter Nirvana (according to Theosophy), we never enter Heaven again. Above Nirvana is a level called Paranirvana. The next level above that is Mahaparanirvana. (Each level has seven sub-levels.) I wonder if our Paranirvana is similar to what you call Second Heaven.

"It is for all to decide whether or not they continue."

--> I find this fascinating. In Theosophy, it is never really a choice to resist spiritual evolution. Sure, some people try, but it is said they eventually move on anyway.

"Do you see these gods and goddesses arranged in some kind of Hierarchy? --> Yes."

--> Who is Head of the Archons?

"...people do experience bliss between incarnations."

--> It sounds like we are tallking abot the same things, but merely using different labels.

"It is clear that doing good deeds for the benefit of others helps us even more, that way we will become excellent candidates for Nirvana."

--> I would take it a step further. I think that, once we enter Nirvana, we will go around and do nothing but good deeds for each other.

"I say that they will enter into Nirvana, if they made the choice with good intension."

--> Such an idea would not fit into my belief system. I believe entry into Nirvana must be earned. The way I see it, the test to get into Nirvana will be severe, and the test cannot be made simple for anyone.

"I am a Gnostic Christian or a Manichaean Christian."

--> I thought you said you are not Christian.

[Manichaean Seek]

Nick the Pilot,

You said:"I would not say unlimited, but the chances go on for millions of years. Theosophy teaches that all of us humans are supposed to reach Nirvana by the end of the Earth, yet there will be a few people who do not make it. After that, the next "Earth" will be set up, and today's animals will become that Earth's humans. Today's humans who do not reach Nirvana will be allowed to continue on, on the next Earth, along with the new humans of that Earth. (The idea that today's Earth's Nirvana-failures could then fail to achieve Nirvana on the next Earth is said to be impossible.) "
I say: As in the other posting I spoke of man being allocated 448,000 years, based on Manichaean teachings. After this time passed, everything halts.

You said:"I am glad we agree on the idea of stages above Heaven. However, Theosophy says the stages go on, in a seemingly infinite line."
I say: I hold that the Heavens encircle earth in concrentic circles.

You said:"Theosophy sees it a little different. The seven Heaven are only between incarnations. Once we enter Nirvana (according to Theosophy), we never enter Heaven again. Above Nirvana is a level called Paranirvana. The next level above that is Mahaparanirvana. (Each level has seven sub-levels.) I wonder if our Paranirvana is similar to what you call Second Heaven."
I say: I can see the comparison. This is sound. So, Mahaparanirvana could be equaled to the Third Heaven.

You said: "Who is Head of the Archons?"
I say: The Head or Chief of the Archons is the Lie, The Arrogant One and he is co-existent and co-equal to the Most High.

You said: "Such an idea would not fit into my belief system. I believe entry into Nirvana must be earned. The way I see it, the test to get into Nirvana will be severe, and the test cannot be made simple for anyone."
I say: How is entry into Nirvana earned? But with earning Nirvana would reject aid from greater powers/forces. Do we gain/enter Nirvana just with ourselfs and what we ourselfs can do or do be we gain/enter Nirvana with guidance from Spiritual Masters? A test Nirvana is, without doubt. It is one of the filters, that separate the seekers from the ignorant ones.

You said: "I thought you said you are not Christian."
I say: I am a Christian (in the sense that I am aware of and put into action some parts of Christian doctrine- that which is kept to a minimal since Yeshuas Mysteries are greater then His miracles) but whereas I am a Manichaean Christian or Gnostic Christian. Even with being a Gnostic and as Manichaean Yeshuas' instruction is part of the cannon. Regarding Yeshua Gnosis is held extremely important - in order to experience Truth.

Is their other topics to progress to?
Andre Francis

[Nick the Pilot]

Andre,

Thank you for answering my various questions. It gives me more of an idea as to how your belief system is set up.
You asked,

"How is entry into Nirvana earned?"

--> As I listed before, the minimum requirements are a minimum level of spirituality, the removal of bad karma, and a proven record of service. However, the most important part is the Initiation. An Initiation is more than a ceremony. I do have all of the information, but an Initiation is when we are shown all kinds of temptations — sex, drugs, whatever. A person ready to go into Nirvana must have no desires for any of these things. It has also been said that, during an Initiation, our worst enemies are brought before us, and we must show that we do not hate them, etc.

"But with earning Nirvana would reject aid from greater powers/forces."

--> According to Theosophy, it is just the opposite. In fact, it makes us more open to greater powers/forces."

"Do we gain/enter Nirvana just with ourselfs and what we ourselfs can do or do be we gain/enter Nirvana with guidance from Spiritual Masters?"

--> We enter Nirvana with guidance from Spiritual Masters. In fact, we must be invited to Initiation, and it is the Spiritual Masters who invite us. Initiation means being invited to join the Brotherhood.

"A test Nirvana is, without doubt. It is one of the filters, that separate the seekers from the ignorant ones."

--> Correct. A Nirvani must willingly give up the things of Earth. Selfish, self-centered people are not ready. A Nirvani must give up any desire to do things for themsleves, and only be willing to do good things for others. Initiation merely confirms the person is ready for Nirvana. It makes sense to me.

"I say: The Head or Chief of the Archons is the Lie, The Arrogant One and he is co-existent and co-equal to the Most High."

--> This is perhaps similar to the Theosophical idea of a high, light-filled Angel now rejected by Christianity and called Satan.

"I am a Christian (in the sense that I am aware of and put into action some parts of Christian doctrine- that which is kept to a minimal since Yeshuas Mysteries are greater then His miracles)...."

--> I assume Yeshua is Jesus.

"Is their other topics to progress to?"

--> Plenty! Next is the Reincarnation Cycle. When a person dies, they enter Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory, depending on their situation. (Most people enter Purgatory, then Heaven.) We call Heaven by the name Devachan.

Devachan is both a time to relax and recover, and a time to go over the lessons we learned on Earth. Once we have had time to ponder our previous lessons from Earth, it is time for another "field trip" — another incarnation.

The incarnation process then begins. Suitable mental bodies and astral bodies are constructed, parents and gender are chosen (according to both karma and personal preference), and the physical body is constructed. A list of bad karma to burn off is decided, and lessons to learn are chosen. (The person is much more involved in making these decisions than most people realize.)

How does this Reincarnation Cycle fit into your belief system? Do you have specific teachings as to a Reincarnation Cycle?

[Manichaean Seek]

Nick the Pilot

Straightforward posting you put up so I have no questions. I did mean to have posted this yesterday.

You said:"This is perhaps similar to the Theosophical idea of a high, light-filled Angel now rejected by Christianity and called Satan."
I say: Satan is treated a name for a dark being who has always existed, independent of the Most High and the Angels.

You said: "Plenty! Next is the Reincarnation Cycle. When a person dies, they enter Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory, depending on their situation. (Most people enter Purgatory, then Heaven.) We call Heaven by the name Devachan. Devachan is both a time to relax and recover, and a time to go over the lessons we learned on Earth. Once we have had time to ponder our previous lessons from Earth, it is time for another "field trip" — another incarnation. The incarnation process then begins. Suitable mental bodies and astral bodies are constructed, parents and gender are chosen (according to both karma and personal preference), and the physical body is constructed. A list of bad karma to burn off is decided, and lessons to learn are chosen. (The person is much more involved in making these decisions than most people realize.)How does this Reincarnation Cycle fit into your belief system? Do you have specific teachings as to a Reincarnation Cycle?"

I say: I hold by what I had mentioned before. Overall, there is three possible steps, as you said 'Heaven, Hell, or Pergatory' I would make equal to what I teach, and this will become 'Ascent to the next Heaven, dwelling in the Land of Night, or correction (the same as instruction)'. Those who had been good, pure, modest seekers and who had gained to the Gnosis are seen to progress onto the next Heaven.For example, if I was to reincarnate, I would have obtained success in the first Heaven and my next life would be spent working towards the second Heaven. I did think about how long the time would be for my spiritual jounery. Consider that I may live to be over 80. And it took over 80 years to slowly progress and for the first 7 heavens it would take me, just over 560 years. And to cross 360 heavens would take over 28,880 years. Interesting is it not. Moving on, I will agree with you on the Reincarnation Cycle. It is a bonus, that after reincanating finding yourself one stage higher.

Andre

[Nick the Pilot]

Andre,

Thanks for your post. Are you interested in more Theosophical ideas? Have you heard the idea of the seven-fold nature of man? Here is a graphic.





The four lower aspects are discarded at the end of each incarnation. The three higher aspects survive, spending time in Devachan between incarnations, and re-linking with new copies of the four lower aspects at the beginning of the next incarnation.

How does this compare to your idea of the soul?

By the way, I see in your other post you said humanity uses the Earth for 448,000 years. Theosophy says the active period of the Earth is 44,000,000 years*, so there may be some commonality there.

* The Collected Writings of H. P. Blavatsky, vol 13 pp. 301-306

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[AndrewX]

It might be pointed out, Nick, since I think the point makes all the difference for some that aren't familiar with these teachings ... that of the fourfold lower man, the Spiritual `investment' - or the ensouling influence of the Soul from above (Atma, Buddhi, Mana) - is withdrawn after our death, as we pass through the astral world, and once our time in Devachan is complete.

This is the occult significance of Christ's injunction to store up our treasures in Heaven, rather than on earth. We need incarnations on earth to develop and perfect the Soul aspect, as this experience cannot be obtained in any other manner. The path of spiritual Service, above all else, is what unfolds our Soul potential ... along with the discipline of occult meditation and study.

So we only `discard' the lower quaternary once we have, individually, reaped the harvest which the Soul has sown, using it. And once that process is complete, per incarnation, the work of the Soul begins again ... with a new incarnation. Once it is complete on the Soul level entirely, our cycle of incarnations is over, and we have attained to perfection.

~Andrew

[Nick the Pilot]

Andrew,

Thanks for that clarification. You are correct that all four lower principles fall away at death. Most people are suprised to see that even the astral body does not make it into Devachan ("Heaven").

I will be curious to see how all of this compares with Andre's belief system.

[Manichaean Seek]

Nick the Pilot,

I have not heard of the seven-fold nature of man. It is sound to say that "
"The four lower aspects are discarded at the end of each incarnation. The three higher aspects survive, spending time in Devachan between incarnations, and re-linking with new copies of the four lower aspects at the beginning of the next incarnation". I say this because as the four lower aspects could be seen as temperal whilst the three higher aspects are permament, but always find themselves with temperal four lower aspects. To me, the spirit and the three higher aspects go to Heaven.

On the soul I will give a section from my circular, 'Neo-Manichee'; dated in March 2007:
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"5) The Spirit and its creator, the body and its creator(s) and how to set free the spirit from the flesh.

Humanity was created with an inner self, a nishimta, a pneuma, a neshamah or a spirit. The spirit is deep within and is untouchable and unbreakable. The spirit can be seen as the spark of light, a marking by God which is encased by the flesh and so the body is a living vessel for the spirit and the spirit is implanted in its host. The deeper spirit is further engulfed with lower souls (but remains as one) which are the parts of the spirit that express false emotion and bad instinct. True emotion is from the deep spirit, as is true faith from the deep within is us all. However false emotion and bad instinct can upturn a person’s effort to make them whole. To merge them together I will state that perfection in life and everything is needed. For the unbelieving of those of little faith the spark is like the moon with a glow and for those with true faith the spirit is like a great pure fire.

In Gnostic tradition the body was created by beings other then God, the beings of death and who can only provide death. God created for man spiritual bodies which are the same as our material bodies. The body and its pleasures dig into the spirit and so it is spreading its imperfection causing the spirit to be corrupted. Man fell in his own existence, he loves his own body and its material delights and so he fouls his heavenly self. The body is put before the spirit and in doing so a man will make an idol of his own body and worships himself rather then worshipping God. Man cannot love his body (causing harm to his heavenly spirit) and love God at the same time, therefore he must decide the body or the spirit"

The portion of the text in italic I see as being relevant and the Neo-Manichee was typed with my beliefs as the main focus.

The spirit can be seen as being three separate souls, one is the Nishimta, and one is false instinct and one is false emotion. The aim of the discerning Nazorean is to unite them together in unity. The souls, as I see are permament and are not temperal, but there is the need to unite the three permament souls into one, under the Nishimta (Highest Sould, also called by name of Spirit). The body, and all other things apart from the three souls are temporal and do not live after being reincarnated.
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I hold that, considering the time allocated to men by Our Parents that I think the actual time, is much larger. 448,000 years would give enough time for those travelling through one heaven at a time, in a continued progression.


Andre Francis

[Nick the Pilot]

Andre,

It is fascinating to see the commonalities between our two systems. Theosophy, too, sees the Higher Self as having three main components. (Theosophy seems to have a bit more complicated theory.)

Let me know if you want to hear more about various Theosophical ideas.

[Manichaean Seek]

Nick the Pilot



I just have not detailed the full doctrine of the O.N.E (Order of Nazorean Essenes) but whereas naturally I commented by my understaning vary then go on for ages.

I would love to continue unto further topics.

Andre

[Nick the Pilot]

Andre,

There is one more topic closely related to Hell, and that is the topic of Avichi. According to Theosophy, humanity is scheduled to be on Earth for a specific amount of time. When our time here finally runs out, a new planet will be set up. At that time, today's animals will become that planet's humans, today's plants will become that planet's animals, etc.

There is an issue regarding today's humans who do not make it into Nirvana by the end of this Earth. It is said they enter a state called Avichi, in which they are held back and forced to join the new human race on the next planet. It is said being in this Avichi is a suffering much worse than any Hell.

Does your belief system have any idea like this?