this generation

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

where in the bible is it saying that the generation that Jesus spoke of means 100 years
In its original setting the reference was solely to Jesus’ own contemporaries.
"this generation" (he ge·ne·a´ hau´te) is "the whole multitude of men living at the same time." The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (1964) gives support to this definition, stating: "The use of ‘generation’ by Jesus expresses his comprehensive purpose: he aims at the whole people and is conscious of their solidarity in sin." Truly a "solidarity in sin" was apparent in the Jewish nation when Jesus was on earth, just as it marks the world system today.
Certain Bibles render he ge·ne·a´ hau´te at Matthew 24:34 as follows: "these people" (The Holy Bible in the Language of Today [1976], by W. F. Beck); "this nation" (The New Testament—An Expanded Translation [1961], by K. S. Wuest); "this people" (Jewish New Testament [1979], by D. H. Stern)

God's word my friend (the Bible), states the generation of man. I don't have to justifiy anything to you. God said (Jehovah said), a generation for man is 100 years. Jesus never mentioned the timeline of a generation. He only stated what those who knew the old testament understood. Why do you ignore that part of the Bible?

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

God's word my friend (the Bible), states the generation of man. I don't have to justifiy anything to you. God said (Jehovah said), a generation for man is 100 years. Jesus never mentioned the timeline of a generation. He only stated what those who knew the old testament understood. Why do you ignore that part of the Bible?

Q

i find it interesting that the bible tells us that 100 years is the generation of man , i dont think i have seen it , please could i ask you to tell me where in the bible it says that , i am all for learning new things . i am not asking you to justifiy it , i am just interested to know where it says that. and yes i agree Jesus never mentioned the timeline of a generation , not sure what you mean by me ignoring parts of the bible? which parts?

[mee]

Since 1914 a generation of people has become corrupt, just as in Jesus’ day. And today the corruption is on a worldwide scale. In these "last days," the "critical times hard to deal with" described by the apostle Paul are afflicting mankind. ‘Wicked men and impostors continue to advance from bad to worse.’ Clearly, "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one," Satan the Devil, who is now making his final effort to ruin the earth. But take courage! There is an oncoming "great tribulation" that will bring permanent relief to all who love righteousness.—2 Timothy 3:1-5, 13; 1 John 5:19; Revelation 7:14 what a relief , man will not ruin the earth for ever , because God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth .
Yes, the complete triumph of the Messianic Kingdom is at hand

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

i find it interesting that the bible tells us that 100 years is the generation of man , i dont think i have seen it , please could i ask you to tell me where in the bible it says that , i am all for learning new things . i am not asking you to justifiy it , i am just interested to know where it says that. and yes i agree Jesus never mentioned the timeline of a generation , not sure what you mean by me ignoring parts of the bible? which parts?

OK. However, in confirming what I originally stated as being a generation of man, (as biblically defined), I also discovered other issues pertaining to the Biblical use of the word and time for "generation".

Apparently a generation can be literal (20, 40, 70, 80, 100, 120, 900) years, or can be an a situation of undetermined amount of time...

It all depends on when the author wrote his book, and what he was attempting to tell us.

Lat. Vulgate, generatio).

This word, of very varied meaning, corresponds to the two Hebrew terms: dôr, tôledôth. As a rendering of the later, the Vulgate plural form, generationes, is treated in the article GENEALOGY. As a rendering of the former, the word generation is used in the following principal senses.

• It designates a definite period of time, with a special reference to the average length of man's life. It is in this sense, for example, that, during the long-lived patriarchal age, a "generation" is rated as a period of 100 years (Genesis 15:16, compared with Genesis 15:13, and Exodus 12:40), and that, at a later date, it is represented as of only 30 to 40 years.
• The word generation is used to mean an indefinite period of time: of time past, as in Deut., xxxii, 7, where we read: "Remember the days of old, think upon every generation", and in Isaias, lviii, 12, etc.; of time future, as in Ps. xliv (Heb. xlv), 18, etc.
• In a concrete sense, generation designates the men who lived in the same period of time, who were contemporaries, as for instance in Gen., vi, 9: "Noe was a just and perfect man in his generations"; see also: Num., xxxii, 13; Deut., i, 35; Matt., xxiv, 34; etc.
• Independently of the idea of time, generation is employed to mean a race or class of men as characterized by the same recurring condition or quality. In this sense, the Bible speaks of a "just generation", literally "generation of the just" [Ps. xiii (Heb., xiv), 6; etc.], a "perverse generation", equivalent to: "generation of the wicked" [Deut., xxxii, 5; Mark, ix, 18 (Gr., verse 19); etc.].
• Lastly, in Is., xxxviii, 12, the word generation is used to designate a dwelling place or habitation, probably from the circular for of the nomad tent. Whence it can be readily seen that, in its various principal acceptations, the word generation (usually in the Septuagint and in the Greek New Testament: genea) preserves something of the primitive meaning of "circuit", "period", conveyed by the Hebrew term dôr.

So, If taken literally in actual time, then a generation's time varies depending upon the life span of that particular generation. If taken as an issue, or a situation, then time doesn't matter; which means we are both right, depending on which way we're considering "generation" to be...

However, that still leaves the 1914 concept in questionable status. At the time Jesus spoke those words, the literal generation of man was three score and 10 years, up to four score years (for the heartier souls). Even if we use 80 years for today's generation (which is reasonable), then 1994, would have been the day this earth ended tribulations. If we use 100 years as a current generation then, 2014 is the last day of tribulations. If we use 1948 as the beginning of the generation, then 2018 to 2028 are the end dates, and subsequently if we use 100 years as the generation and 1948 as the beginning, then we are back to 2048 as the last day.

If Jesus was speaking a dual message (one to His contemporaries and one to us), 70-100 AD was the end and our generation's end is coming to a close within 2-32 years. Or else it has already passed.

If we are using a generation as a situtation of conditions and issues, then no one knows when it will end.

There you go. We still don't know when game is over.

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

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If we are using a generation as a situtation of conditions and issues, then no one knows when it will end.

There you go. We still don't know when game is over.

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Q

yes ,the situtation that we are now in, is the same as the situtation of Jesus day , the masses around Jesus were a faithless and crooked generation, the people he lived with ,did not put faith in him
"O faithless and twisted generation, how long must I continue with you and put up with you?"—LUKE 9:41
Of course, Christians studying this matter guide their thinking primarily by how Jesus used the Greek expression he ge·ne·a´ hau´te, or "this generation." He used it consistently in a negative way. i find it interesting that the
religious hypocrites were indeed most reprehensible as leaders among the unfaithful "crowds" whom Jesus condemned as "this wicked generation.
the masses of unrepentant Jews of that time obviously made up "this adulterous and sinful generation.
A "faithless and twisted generation," egged on by its religious leaders, seemed to play a key part in bringing about the death of the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

yes ,the situtation that we are now in, is the same as the situtation of Jesus day , the masses around Jesus were a faithless and crooked generation, the people he lived with ,did not put faith in him
"O faithless and twisted generation, how long must I continue with you and put up with you?"—LUKE 9:41
Of course, Christians studying this matter guide their thinking primarily by how Jesus used the Greek expression he ge·ne·a´ hau´te, or "this generation." He used it consistently in a negative way. i find it interesting that the
religious hypocrites were indeed most reprehensible as leaders among the unfaithful "crowds" whom Jesus condemned as "this wicked generation.
the masses of unrepentant Jews of that time obviously made up "this adulterous and sinful generation.
A "faithless and twisted generation," egged on by its religious leaders, seemed to play a key part in bringing about the death of the Lord Jesus Christ.

But we don't know that. Jesus even stated that things shall come to pass, yet that will only mark the beginning. No one knows the appointed time, not even the angels. Only the Father knows the day, the hour and the moment. There are things yet to be. These "signs" are only the beginning, like birth pangs of a woman about to go into labor.

We are also specifically told not to worry about it.

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

But we don't know that. Jesus even stated that things shall come to pass, yet that will only mark the beginning. No one knows the appointed time, not even the angels. Only the Father knows the day, the hour and the moment. There are things yet to be. These "signs" are only the beginning, like birth pangs of a woman about to go into labor.

We are also specifically told not to worry about it.

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Q

yes you are right ,noone knows the day or hour , but we have to be ready for the time when God will step into the affairs of man , when this system comes to its end , when Jerusalem came to its end in 70 c.e. the christians had heeded Jesus warning and fleed to a place of safety, so that they would not be destroyed along with the rest of those in Jerusalem.

[mee]

Let us examine more closely Jesus’ statement at Matthew 24:34, 35: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away." Jesus’ words that follow show that ‘nobody knows that day and hour.’ Far more important, he shows that we must avoid the snares surrounding us in this generation. Thus Jesus adds: "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:36-39) Jesus here compared the generation of his day to that of Noah’s day.—Genesis 6:5, 9; .
This was not the first time that the apostles heard Jesus make this comparison of ‘generations,’ for some days earlier he had stated concerning himself: "The Son of man . . . must undergo many sufferings and be rejected by this generation. Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man." (Luke 17:24-26) Thus, Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 17 make the same comparison. In Noah’s day "all flesh [that] had ruined its way on the earth" and that was destroyed at the Flood was "this generation." In Jesus’ day the apostate Jewish people that were rejecting Jesus was "this generation."—Genesis 6:11, 12; 7:1.

Therefore, in the final fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy today, "this generation" apparently refers to the peoples of earth who see the sign of Christ’s presence but fail to mend their ways. In contrast, Jesus followers refuse to be molded by the life-style of "this generation." Though in the world, we must be no part of it, "for the appointed time is near." (Revelation 1:3; John 17:16) The apostle Paul admonishes us: "Keep doing all things free from murmurings and arguments, that you may come to be blameless and innocent, children of God without a blemish IN AMONG A CROOKED AND TWISTED GENERATION among whom you are shining as illuminators in the world." —Philippians 2:14, 15; Colossians 3:5-10; 1 John 2:15-17. so this generation is not a length of time or an amount of years ,it is the masses of mankind who are crooked and twisted in their reasoning and attitudes, just as the generation of jews in Jesus day did not recognise Jesus ,they were crooked and twisted in their reasonings, and in noahs day also the people were the same they did not recognize the way to get saved. so it is today the masses of mankind do not recognize the way to get saved............................it is only putting our faith and trust in Gods heavenly kingdom goverment with Jesus as king... Daniel 2;44 that we can survive the day of Jehovah. only Jehovah knows the day and the hour .................................... will we get away safe? are we recognizing the signs of Jesus PRESENCE IN KINGDOM POWER ,THE LAST DAYS STARTED IN 1914 are we welcoming Jesus as the king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by mee

Let us examine more closely Jesus’ statement at Matthew 24:34, 35: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away." Jesus’ words that follow show that ‘nobody knows that day and hour.’ Far more important, he shows that we must avoid the snares surrounding us in this generation. Thus Jesus adds: "For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:36-39) Jesus here compared the generation of his day to that of Noah’s day.—Genesis 6:5, 9; .

This was not the first time that the apostles heard Jesus make this comparison of ‘generations,’ for some days earlier he had stated concerning himself: "The Son of man . . . must undergo many sufferings and be rejected by this generation. Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of man." (Luke 17:24-26) Thus, Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 17 make the same comparison. In Noah’s day "all flesh [that] had ruined its way on the earth" and that was destroyed at the Flood was "this generation." In Jesus’ day the apostate Jewish people that were rejecting Jesus was "this generation."—Genesis 6:11, 12; 7:1.
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Hi Mee,

He aslo said there be some standing here that shall not taste of death til they see the son of man coming in his kingdom. Perhaps all those things were fulfilled during that generation but even as the Jews missed Jesus, Christians have missed the kingdom which was there in Jesus's day and still remains here today. Perhaps the only way to know is to look from inside the kingdom instead of with eyes of flesh. Just a thought to consider.

Love in Christ,
JM

[mee]

Originally Posted by JosephM

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Hi Mee,

He aslo said there be some standing here that shall not taste of death til they see the son of man coming in his kingdom. Perhaps all those things were fulfilled during that generation but even as the Jews missed Jesus, Christians have missed the kingdom which was there in Jesus's day and still remains here today. Perhaps the only way to know is to look from inside the kingdom instead of with eyes of flesh. Just a thought to consider.

Love in Christ,
JM

the transfiguration was a forgleam of Jesus in kingdom power,
Jesus promises some of them the very thing he denied the faithless Jews—a sign from heaven. "Truly I say to you," Jesus says, "there are some of those standing here that will not taste death at all until first they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:28) Obviously, Jesus is not saying that certain ones of his disciples will live until the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom in 1914. Jesus has in mind giving three of his intimate disciples a spectacular foregleam of his glory in Kingdom power. This visionary preview is called the transfiguration.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

Obviously, Jesus is not saying that certain ones of his disciples will live until the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom in 1914.

obviously.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

obviously.

so they saw it just as Jesus said .

[Dor]

Originally Posted by mee

Obviously, Jesus is not saying that certain ones of his disciples will live until the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom in 1914.

Of course not cause he never mentioned 1914 and has been in charge long before then. Bible>Russell.

[BlaznFattyz]

god created, therefore god is in charge.
he has revealed all things in his son, which was spoken through prophets of old. it is not a new concept associated with christianity.

[Quahom1]

This thread has been merged with a thread of the same name, and similar content started by the same member back in January 2006.

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