Torah-observant Christian?

[Prober]

Many thanks, Dauer!

I'm starting to get the flavour of the different denominations and I suppose the reading material a person chooses in coloured by the denomination in which he's interested.

[dauer]

Prober,

I'm starting to get the flavour of the different denominations and I suppose the reading material a person chooses in coloured by the denomination in which he's interested.

Absolutely. The place where you see this the most is the difference between the liberal denominations and orthodoxy, primarily because the liberal denominations are open to all of the modern approaches to text. But it also depends on what you're reading. For example A Guide to Jewish Religious Practice by Isaac Klein is essentially a Conservative code, describing how to carry out different daily, annual, as well as occasional mitzvot and with some exception where conservative judaism diverges, it could have come from orthodoxy.

Or to take another example, you could take a Conservative commentary and a Reform commentary, and they'd both probably be very hard to tell apart. As a siddur goes, there's almost no difference from denomination to denomination. A liberal siddur will have some omissions, and maybe a couple words changed to reflect that there is no longer a desire to return to temple sacrifices, but unless it's a Reconstructionist siddur you won't see any major differences, and even there the really big differences are only in translation, and not in the Hebrew. For example they'll translate the Tetragrammaton differently depending on context in their siddur.

Dauer

[Prober]

Well, this should be fun...I guess I'll get started reading.

I think I'm interested in Orthodox and/or Conservative so maybe I'll start there.

Thanks, again!

[Chavak]

Originally Posted by Prober

Do you think the concept of being a torah-observant Christian would be silly?

Yes, it is silly, Many of the "Messianic Christians" (who refuse to call
themselves Christians, even though they believe in the tenents of
Christianity) are nothing more than wanna be Jews. They go to extremes
of how Jews act, dress, and practice their faith. They copy all of our
traditions and cultural things, even though many of these things were not
in existence when Jesus was around (they claim they want to live as Jews
because Jesus was a Jew. How many times did Jesus eat Kugel or
matzah ball soup? Puh-leeze.....)

I find it highly offensive as they people take our religious articles,
our faith, our traditions and our religious practices and veil them
with Christianity. They involve the name of a false god in using them.
I find it disgusting.
They should be and act the Christians that they are.

[faithing]

This is my third attempt to post on this thread, don't know where the other posts went..LOL! I was interested in answering your original question, Prober, as simply as I can.

May I first send my greetings to all on this thread, and particualry to those who practice Judaisim, as this is YOUR forum. I respectfully state that I have enjoyed greatly reading the posts in this thread and other's - in the Judaism forum - as I am very interested in learning as much as I can about what we call "The Old Testament," as Christians. There is no way to disconnect those two religions for us, as the history of the Jews -and their faith - is the base of our religion (those who believe in Jesus as The Messiah.) What your opinion is of Jesus is certainly your own business. I only want to address Prober's original question which I believe requires a Christian answer. Thank you.

Basic Christianity:

Prober, while there have been 'legalistic' Christians since the start of Christianity, it is missing the point. You cannnot seriously believe that you need to practice the Law if you believe Jesus has saved you. Jesus lived The Law because he was born a Jew. He taught that He was, however, the Fullfillment of that law, and -as such - put an end to all legalism, works, and "working your way into Heaven," through His sacrifice!

Prober, if you are a Christian, you have been taught that Jesus is the Messiah - the Son of God - and saved you through his sacrifice on the cross with the shedding of his blood for you. There is nothing you can do but show faith in His Divinity, His Word, and His Sacrifice, now. You are saved through His Grace, period. As a sinner you cannot save yourself; never could. Accept that fact, trust in Him (God is looking for your faith and trust now only) and live as the Holy Spirit within you guides you.

None of us are perfect or ever can be, we sin daily. We are flawed with Adam and Eve's fall, and our hope is in our Savior. Prober, You are actually rejecting Christ's gift to you - minimizing it - by believing there is still something MORE that has to be done other than the shedding of His Blood, through His Grace. Accept His free gift to you. He did this for all mankind!!!! (that includes you!)

May God bless you all; thank you once again for my being able to put my post on this forum.

faithing..

[Quahom1]

Faith, "Prober" knows everything now...

Unfortunately, he can not fill us in on the details...

But I'm sure he would be pleased that you found his thoughts fascinating, and challenging.

v/r

Q