Trinity - Page 12

mee · 02-23-2008, 09:44 PM

1808 "and the word was a god"
The New Testament, in An
Improved Version, Upon the
Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s
New Translation: With a
Corrected Text, London.

mee · 02-23-2008, 09:45 PM

1864 "and a god was the Word" The Emphatic Diaglott (J21,
interlinear reading), by
Benjamin Wilson, New York and
London.

mee · 02-23-2008, 09:46 PM

1935 "and the Word was divine"
The Bible—An American
Translation, by J. M. P.
Smith and E. J. Goodspeed,
Chicago.

mee · 02-23-2008, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

You might not ... but then you are not free of pre-conception.

They on the other hand, would read of Father, Son and Holy Spirit ... furthermore they would be baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit ...

Absolutely not ... nowhere does it say Jesus was created ...

You are not an impartial reader, and your version of the bible is not even an impartial translation, so let's not have any nonsense about impartiality from you, please.

Thomas

THE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION is a most accurate translation and many other translations are inline with the NWT .
it is not
clouded by manmade thoughts and traditions . as many many bible translations have been .

mee · 02-23-2008, 09:54 PM

I am finding many translations that are inline with the NWT thats because they are after the truth , but many translations have been contaminated with traditions of men.

mee · 02-23-2008, 09:57 PM

1975 "and a god
(or, of a divine Das Evangelium nach
kind) was the Word"
Johannes, by Siegfried
Schulz,Göttingen, Germany.

mee · 02-23-2008, 09:58 PM

1978 "and godlike sort was Das Evangelium nach
the Logos" (translated from German)
Johannes,by Johannes
Schneider,Berlin.

mee · 02-23-2008, 10:01 PM

1979 "and a god was the Logos" (translated from German)Das Evangelium nach
Johannes,by Jürgen Becker,
Würzburg, Germany.

mee · 02-23-2008, 10:06 PM

These translations use such words as "a god," "divine" or "godlike" because the Greek word θεός (the·os´) is a singular predicate noun occurring before the verb and is not preceded by the definite article.

This is an anarthrous the·os´. The God with whom the Word, or Logos, was originally is designated here by the Greek expression ὁ θεός, that is, the·os´ preceded by the definite article ho. This is an articular the·os´

. Careful translators recognize that the articular construction of the noun points to an identity, a personality, whereas a singular anarthrous predicate noun preceding the verb points to a quality about someone.

Therefore, John’s statement that the Word or Logos was "a god" or "divine" or "godlike" does not mean that he was the God with whom he was.

It merely expresses a certain quality about the Word, or Logos, but it does not identify him as one and the same as God himself.

mee · 02-23-2008, 11:11 PM

Throughout his ministry Jesus Christ proclaimed himself, not as God, but as the Son of God. He said nothing about being part of a triune God and neither did the Bible writers.
Instead of claiming to be equal with his Father, he said: "The Father is greater than I am." (John 14:28)
This relationship of unequality with the Father did not change after his resurrection and ascension to heaven. This is shown at 1 Corinthians 11:3 and15:28, where it shows subjection of the resurrected Jesus Christ to the Father.

BlaznFattyz · 02-24-2008, 12:55 AM

jesus is my lord god and saviour.

mee · 02-24-2008, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

jesus is my lord god and saviour.

yes as the most high Jehovah said, THIS IS MY SON listen to him .

And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him.LUKE 9;35

Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved."matthew 3;17

He certainly does play a very big part in the outworking of Gods purpose for the earth, and those who listen to him .

Joedjr · 02-24-2008, 03:33 PM

Hi BlaznFattyz,

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

jesus is my lord god and saviour.

I suspect everyone "hangs" in a place where they feel right to occupy. That is until something moves them to a different place. I can respect that.

Joe

Thomas · 02-24-2008, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mee

THE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION is a most accurate translation and many other translations are inline with the NWT. it is not clouded by manmade thoughts and traditions . as many many bible translations have been .

The evidence is that the NWT is, in the eyes of scholars the world over, a very poor translation, and furthermore one produced by a committee who did not know Hebrew or Greek, but had a damn good idea what they decided the Bible was going to say.

Evidence, by the way, that cannot be disputed ... the leader of the committeee said he knew Hebrew and Greek, but was unable to perform the simplest translation exercises when asked.

Thomas

Thomas · 02-24-2008, 05:54 PM

Hi Joe —

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joedjr

Aren't these words very important, even more so than those that have to do with tradition?

No, that's putting the cart before the horse. Tradition gave us the Scripture, not the other way round.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joedjr

Yes by making Jesus G!d it might be easier to understand what is taught as and to teach Christianity, but it's not the wording that is used in the bible.

It seems to me that Jesus' claim to Divinity, in word and deed, is beyond question. To my mind, you're making Jesus not God so that the Bible is easier for you to accept.

If He is not God, then to preach and pray for salvation in His name is a blasphemy, and yet it is fundamental to the New Testament ... it was the prayer of the first Christian martyr (Stephen, Acts 7:59), and everyone thereafter.

Thomas