True and false wisdom

[Paladin]

Really Snoopy? I thought you had read Power vs Force

I know smoking too much pot had an affect on my brain but I forget what it was

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Really Snoopy? I thought you had read Power vs Force

Don't think so. And never smoked pot neither!

s.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Paladin

I have often wondered, if it is true that we operate from a conditioned mind, what part of our programming seeks to uncover our own self-deception? Is what we call "wisdom" an innate yet sleeping quality within us? When do we become so enamored of the truth that we are willing to throw away everything we think we know to truly see "things as it is"
I found this little free download, a conversation between Steven Harrison and Martin Kreschnecht {SP?} to be intriguing.
Doing Nothing - Self-Deception and the Fires of Transformation

5 hours


s.

[~estrella~]

Originally Posted by Paladin

I have often wondered, if it is true that we operate from a conditioned mind, what part of our programming seeks to uncover our own self-deception? Is what we call "wisdom" an innate yet sleeping quality within us? When do we become so enamored of the truth that we are willing to throw away everything we think we know to truly see "things as it is"

Indeed there is some higher power operating in us, which acts continuously on our being. It is indeed not a part of the programming. Wisdom is the knowledge of what is, and we get it by connecting to the higher Source, the connection is first felt as intuition. Then in time it becomes more and more firm.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Don't think so. And never smoked pot neither!

s.

meant that about me

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by ~estrella~

Indeed there is some higher power operating in us, which acts continuously on our being. It is indeed not a part of the programming. Wisdom is the knowledge of what is, and we get it by connecting to the higher Source, the connection is first felt as intuition. Then in time it becomes more and more firm.

It would then stand to reason that this higher power is not differentiated not separated as traditional religion might point out. Now mysticism comes into play and says this power operates through us and as us.
The illusion of separation dissolves as the emphasis on the ego or self dissolves.
At that point I think we can choose to operate through ego as our needful persona but knowing the reality of non differentiate, non-dualistic existence.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Paladin

It would then stand to reason that this higher power is not differentiated not separated as traditional religion might point out. Now mysticism comes into play and says this power operates through us and as us.
The illusion of separation dissolves as the emphasis on the ego or self dissolves.
At that point I think we can choose to operate through ego as our needful persona but knowing the reality of non differentiate, non-dualistic existence.

...and your point is...moot. (damn it I used a non sequeter to express a non issue).

[Paladin]

Did you mean a non sequitur? That it doesn't follow that my point is moot? sorry to be dense Q the doc has me on hydrocodone after jaw surgery, I must be rambling.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Did you mean a non sequitur? That it doesn't follow that my point is moot? sorry to be dense Q the doc has me on hydrocodone after jaw surgery, I must be rambling.

I differ, but watch where you swing that sword... (lol)

[Paladin]

Oh, I see, quite right for you to differ.
Actually, it was a periodontist and a very little knife that did the deed. Bone grafts and implants and all that. should be right as rain in a few months.

[mee]

A Popular but Inaccurate Story

Contrary to popular belief, the Magi first arrived, not in Bethlehem, but in Jerusalem, after Jesus was born.

They were not present at the time of Jesus’ birth. Later, when they went to Bethlehem, the Bible says that "when they went into the house they saw the young child." (Matthew 2:1, 11)

So, it is clear that by the time the Magi visited Jesus, his family had moved into a normal dwelling. They did not find him lying in a manger.

In the light of the Scriptures, the popular story of three kings honoring Jesus at the time of his birth is not accurate.

the Bible teaches that the Magi who visited Jesus were not kings but astrologers who practiced the occult.

The Scriptural record does not say how many there were.

Also, they did not visit Jesus at the time of his birth, when he was placed in a manger, but, rather, sometime later, when his family was living in a house.

The popular narrative of the three kings and other traditional Christmas stories, although Scripturally inaccurate, are generally viewed as harmless holiday tales.

true Christians, however, highly esteem a form of worship that is free of falsehood.

This is how Jesus himself felt. In prayer to his Father, he once said: "Your word is truth." (John 17:17)

He said that "true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him."—John 4:23.

[Quahom1]

Clear as mud.

First, they had to have seen Jesus before the family escaped to Egypt, but while the family was in Bethlehem (during the census). Joseph had no house in Bethlehem, and they had not gone back to Nazereth.

An infant is a child. Herod had not declared all boys under the age of two to be put to death yet.

So we do not exactly know when they saw Jesus, but we do know it was while he was in Bethlehem.

For all we know the family did have to stay in a cave while in Bethlehem, for awhile, in obeying the decree of Rome.

Astrologers back then were also Astronomers and alchemists (proto-scientists), as well as priests, and nobility. The term "king" is used to fit a poem which became part of the story. There is also a story of the fourth Magi, who was late and missed seeing Jesus his whole life, but in his search for the savior helped people, and upon his death did see Jesus, who told him how many times they had met during the Magi's lifetime...

"Ring around the rosy" is a rhyme and a tale for children to sing at play. It is a harmless ditty, yet the message is very clear for those who listen. It is a warning and instructions for how to recognize the plague, and what to do to destroy it, so no one else may be harmed.

Likewise the message to the traditional "Christmas story" is very clear and true. Children understand it quite well...out of the mouths of babes...

[saddha]

Dhammapada: The Fool

Long is the night to the wakeful; long is the league to the weary; long is the samsara to the foolish who know not the Sublime Truth.
If, as the disciple fares along, he meets no companion who is better or equal, let him firmly pursue his solitary career. There is no fellowship with the foolish.
``Sons have I; wealth have I'': Thus is the fool worried; Verily, he himself is not his own. Whence sons? Whence wealth?
The fool who knows that he is a fool is for that very reason a wise man; the fool who thinks that he is wise is called a fool indeed.
Though a fool, through all his life, associates with a wise man, he no more understands the Dhamma than a spoon (tastes) the flavour of soup.
Though an intelligent person, associates with a wise man for only a moment, he quickly understands the Dhamma as the tongue (tastes) the flavour of soup.
Fools of little wit move about with the very self as their own foe, doing evil deeds the fruit of which is bitter.
That deed is not well done when, after having done it, one repents, and when weeping, with tearful face, one reaps the fruit thereof.
That deed is well done when, after having done it, one repents not, and when, with joy and pleasure, one reaps the fruit thereof.
As sweet as honey is an evil deed, so thinks the fool so long as it ripens not; but when it ripens, then he comes to grief.
Month after month, a fool may eat only as much food as can be picked up on the tip of a kusa grass blade; but he is not worth a sixteenth part of them who have comprehended the Truth.
Verily, an evil deed committed does not immediately bear fruit, just as milk curdles not at once; smouldering, it follows the fool like fire covered with ashes.
To his ruin, indeed, the fool gains knowledge and fame; they destroy his bright lot and cleave his head.
The fool will desire undue reputation, precedence among monks, authority in the monasteries, honour among other families.
Let both laymen and monks think, ``by myself was this done; in everywork, great or small, let them refer to me''. Such is the ambition of the fool; his desires and pride increase.
Surely, the path that leads to wordly gain in one, and the path that leads to Nibbana is another; understanding this, the Bhikkhu, the disciple of the Buddha, should not rejoice in worldly favours, but cultivate detachment.

[ChristineES]

I have found the wisest people to be the ones who don't even know that they are wise.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by ChristineES

I have found the wisest people to be the ones who don't even know that they are wise.

But, they have no trouble speaking their minds about what they consider "common sense"