truthfulness

[mee]

Greed and selfish ambition are the motives that impel many people to lie

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

Greed and selfish ambition are the motives that impel many people to lie

No s**t Sherlock!! Yet you say that and that you want to talk about truth but dismiss the stories of 1000s of ex JW's who suffered systematic abuse within your church. These people are not liars, they are victims of abuse. I do not think you want to talk about truth at all, ironically, I think.... in fact I would go so far as to say I am certain.... that you were just proselytising again.

Tao

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

No s**t Sherlock!! Yet you say that and that you want to talk about truth but dismiss the stories of 1000s of ex JW's who suffered systematic abuse within your church. These people are not liars, they are victims of abuse. I do not think you want to talk about truth at all, ironically, I think.... in fact I would go so far as to say I am certain.... that you were just proselytising again.

Tao

its good to know that the teachings that the Jehovahs witnesses promote are always based on good bible teachings . and child abuse is certainly not one of the teachings of Jehovahs witnesses . and you trying to decieve others into thinking that it is are promoting a lie .

which has nothing to do with truth.


many people do evil things in this world and its good to know that Jehovahs organization instructs ones how to live according to good bible ways. but if a person decided to dismiss good instruction from the bible, it is not the organizations fault , the fault lies with that individual. and they would be living a lie . but Jehovahs teachings are always good instruction for mee.




And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it peoples must stream. 2 And many nations will certainly go and say: "Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths." For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 3 And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. 4 And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].
MICAH 4;4






yes the word of Jehovah is being taught and it is very good so those who are after truth are climbing that mountain and learning Good bible based teachings.



this thread was talking about truthfullness , but as we have plainly seen many are in opposition to truthfullness and would rather promote distraction. my focus is on good things its better than bad things .

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by mee

Greed and selfish ambition are the motives that impel many people to lie

Also pride.

[path_of_one]

And fear.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

And fear.

That could be a type of pride... :\ Pride comes in all shapes and sizes! But yeah I know what you mean.

[mee]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Also pride.

that is truthful indeed

[mee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

And fear.

some are Godfearing some are not .
"If only they would develop this heart of theirs to fear me and to keep all my commandments always."—DEUTERONOMY 5:29.


In the Scriptures, God’s servants are repeatedly urged to fear Jehovah.

Moses told the Israelites: "Jehovah your God you should fear, and him you should serve." (Deuteronomy 6:13)

Centuries later Solomon wrote: "Fear the true God and keep his commandments. For this is the whole obligation of man." (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

Wholesome fear of God not only fosters trust and confidence in him but also motivates us to walk in his ways.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

that is truthful indeed

There are as many flavours of pride as their are truth. Infallibility is certainly one of them. But lets stick to truth.

Lets, for example say that you love nuts. But I have a severe reaction to them. Then the truth for you is that nuts are good but for me the truth is nuts are bad. Who is right? Who is telling the truth? To you nuts is wholesome, healthy fare. To me its a toxic death sentence.

So truth is not always the same thing for everybody. And the truth is defined by the questions you ask to find the truth. You are what you eat, so to speak.

Tao

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

There are as many flavours of pride as their are truth. Infallibility is certainly one of them. But lets stick to truth.

Lets, for example say that you love nuts. But I have a severe reaction to them. Then the truth for you is that nuts are good but for me the truth is nuts are bad. Who is right? Who is telling the truth? To you nuts is wholesome, healthy fare. To me its a toxic death sentence.

So truth is not always the same thing for everybody. And the truth is defined by the questions you ask to find the truth. You are what you eat, so to speak.

Tao

Pride Destroys, ....... Meekness Saves



PRIDE

Inordinate self-esteem; an unreasonable feeling of superiority as to one’s talents, beauty, wealth, rank, and so forth; disdainful behavior or treatment; insolence or arrogance of demeanor; haughty bearing. Pride can, more rarely, have the good connotation of a sense of delight or elation arising from some act or possession. Some synonyms of pride are egotism, arrogance, haughtiness.



Pride Is Deceptive and Destructive



The fear of Jehovah means the hating of bad. Self-exaltation and pride and the bad way and the perverse mouth I have hated.”—Pr 8:13.



The proud person seems to be taking the way most beneficial or profitable for him, but he is leaving God out of account. (Compare Jer 49:16; Re 3:17.)

[gp1628]

Personally I live a very truthful life (we dont refer to it religiously in this house, we call it stupidly paladin).
Its a very difficult way to live your life. Many things in day-to-day existence seems to expect and require being less than truthful. My wife and I have developed a system where Im often just expected to keep my mouth shut and allow her to say what needs to be said.

People think they are truthful. But they also think they are eating well, sleeping well, get along with everyone, and are above average drivers. Actually making an effort to track yourself thru the day would surprise most people more than they would want to be.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

PRIDE

Inordinate self-esteem; an unreasonable feeling of superiority as to one’s talents, beauty, wealth, rank, belief and so forth; disdainful behavior or treatment; insolence or arrogance of demeanor; haughty bearing. Pride can, more rarely, have the good connotation of a sense of delight or elation arising from some act or possession. Some synonyms of pride are egotism, arrogance, haughtiness.

Then proselytising , which requires the highlighted and more, can be seen as an act of pride. I added belief because in this context it deserves to be there.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Then proselytising , which requires the highlighted and more, can be seen as an act of pride. I added belief because in this context it deserves to be there.

satan started off the pride thing , he thought he was better than God . not a good thing to do

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by gp1628

People think they are truthful. But they also think they are eating well, sleeping well, get along with everyone, and are above average drivers. Actually making an effort to track yourself thru the day would surprise most people more than they would want to be.

I think most of us here are truthful in our lives as anybody. But lies are inevitable. Whether they be embellishments, distractions, peace keepers or outright fabrications we all make use of them at some point. They are an integral part of day to day social politics. But there are big lies. Fundamental ones. Ones that haunt the recesses of our conscience, forever fearful that they will be exposed and we will have to feel the shame and humiliation that would bring. Things like the intern at the staff Christmas party, or that money you were meant to be saving but had spent on online poker. These kind of lies lessen us. They take our self worth. They reduce our status amongst those that we most care about. But in my experience it is not always best to come clean. The intern has long gone, no one will ever find out. At last the cards came up and you have all that money back...and more!!. Well maybe not. But you are probably best living in hope of non-exposure than bringing about the certain results of confession. Its a tightrope. Of course best of all is never get to that situation in the first place.

Tao

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

satan started off the pride thing , he thought he was better than God . not a good thing to do

I think certain Satanist cults believe that God is the usurper and not the other way round. I am sure they are as certain of their belief as you are of yours.

Tao