Turn the Other Cheek

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

You are indeed correct.... IF you all lived by what you say you live by, then no you wouldn't be fighting in Iraq and afgan or wherever....

why not? God has called His people to war throughout the bible.. Dont sling the hypocrite word around... its tired.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

why not? God has called His people to war throughout the bible.. Dont sling the hypocrite word around... its tired.

As in - "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'" ?

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Prober

As in - "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'" ?

Sarcasm. More like... The many prayers of the innocents that are murdered in their homes praying for deliverance from tyranny and Him answering by sending others to the rescue... how about the prayers of His children as they march to ovens to be murdered by Hitlers regime and God answering those prayers... Such small minds cannot contemplate the greatness of the Almighty God and how He does His work.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Sarcasm. More like... The many prayers of the innocents that are murdered in their homes praying for deliverance from tyranny and Him answering by sending others to the rescue... how about the prayers of His children as they march to ovens to be murdered by Hitlers regime and God answering those prayers... Such small minds cannot contemplate the greatness of the Almighty God and how He does His work.

I'm just trying to say that many people do things in God's name when God has not moved them. And you are right that the human mind cannot comprehend God's greatness.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Sarcasm.

Yes, I was using sarcasm to make the point. But I'm sorry if I offended you. That was not my intention.

[China Cat Sunflower]

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

This seems pretty clear to me. Maybe someone can explain to me how making war against an enemy fits into this scenario. How is God gonna lead his people to war and still have them love their enemies?

Chris

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

This seems pretty clear to me. Maybe someone can explain to me how making war against an enemy fits into this scenario. How is God gonna lead his people to war and still have them love their enemies?

Chris

Well, I can love my neighbor, but if he should attempt to harm me or my family I will defend against that. Doesn't mean that I hate my neighbor, just that I won't allow myself to be subjugated by him either.

When General's Lee and Grant met near the end of the war, Lee said to Grant "I must send in exchange several of your Union troops, because we have no means to care for them, let alone my own men."

Grant replied, "Sir, do you think 25,000 rations and medical supplies will take care of things for you and your men?"

When Grant began to post along the river's edge with his mount, the corporal of the picket troops called out "Men, attention! General is present!", General Grant shouted out "NEVER MIND THAT".

But across the river, the Confederate Corporal of their picket troops heard the call and shouted, "Picket troops, call to present arms for General Grant!"
They did, and saluted the General. Grant saluted them back...

Today, President George Bush walked a red carpet and inspected the troops of Vietnam...while the band played the Star Spangled Banner. Vietnam has quietly become a very important trading partner with the US.

v/r

Joshua

[China Cat Sunflower]

There are similar stories about Richard and Saladin. I don't think war is fought with this kind of chivalry anymore. Bush used the opportunity to point out that we lost the war with Vietnam for lack of resolve, and compared that to the situation currently in Iraq. But Vietnam was an immoral war, as is Iraq. Public opinion turned against the war in Vietnam for the same reasons it has turned against this misadvised venture in Iraq. The administration of LBJ sought to demonize the peace movement just like this administration has. And "Christians" went along with it: then and now.

Chris

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

There are similar stories about Richard and Saladin. I don't think war is fought with this kind of chivalry anymore. Bush used the opportunity to point out that we lost the war with Vietnam for lack of resolve, and compared that to the situation currently in Iraq. But Vietnam was an immoral war, as is Iraq. Public opinion turned against the war in Vietnam for the same reasons it has turned against this misadvised venture in Iraq. The administration of LBJ sought to demonize the peace movement just like this administration has. And "Christians" went along with it: then and now.

Chris

Not to those who fought it or those who believed it neccesarry...

The country is still split.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

why not? God has called His people to war throughout the bible.. Dont sling the hypocrite word around... its tired.

Eh? "Thou shall not kill and steal and so on and so forth..."

Go to war! Kill and take their lands!

And people say "I love everyone!" and so on.. But they don't... That's a front. How can you have some "godly" love for everyone yet go to arms.. Pick up a rifle and blast hot shells deep through another mans face so it implodes.. *gets out his umbrella* Watch out skull fragment coming down....

You see it all the time humans are mostly two faced back stabbing creatures... I have known christians of many types... catholic, JW, baptist and so on that claim to have this special love for all... You seen them when trying to have a meal and there is a screaming whiny baby at the next table... or someone cuts them off in traffic.. or in drunken situations.. Meh I don't know where I'm going with this... Just you cannot love everyone.

[mee]

what a great teacher Jesus was,and what wise counsel Jesus gave to his followers,
"You heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ However, I say to you: Do not resist him that is wicked; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him." (Mt 5:38, 39) Here Jesus was not teaching pacifism or denying the right of self-defense from bodily harm, but he was teaching that a Christian does not need to pay back blow for blow, retaliating, taking vengeance. He was inculcating the principle of avoiding quarrels by not replying or reacting in kind. A slap on the cheek is not intended to injure physically but only to insult or to provoke into a fight. Jesus did not say that if someone strikes a Christian on the jaw, he should get up off the floor and hold the other side of his face for a target. What Jesus was saying was that if anyone tried to provoke a Christian into a fight or argument by either slapping him with an open hand or stinging him with insulting words, it would be wrong to retaliate. This is in harmony with the statements of the apostles, giving further emphasis to this principle.—Ro 12:17-21; 1Pe 3:9.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Eh? "Thou shall not kill and steal and so on and so forth..."

Go to war! Kill and take their lands!

And people say "I love everyone!" and so on.. But they don't... That's a front. How can you have some "godly" love for everyone yet go to arms.. Pick up a rifle and blast hot shells deep through another mans face so it implodes.. *gets out his umbrella* Watch out skull fragment coming down....

You see it all the time humans are mostly two faced back stabbing creatures... I have known christians of many types... catholic, JW, baptist and so on that claim to have this special love for all... You seen them when trying to have a meal and there is a screaming whiny baby at the next table... or someone cuts them off in traffic.. or in drunken situations.. Meh I don't know where I'm going with this... Just you cannot love everyone.

Yeah we're all human lol

[Dor]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Eh? "Thou shall not kill and steal and so on and so forth..."

Go to war! Kill and take their lands!

And people say "I love everyone!" and so on.. But they don't... That's a front. How can you have some "godly" love for everyone yet go to arms.. Pick up a rifle and blast hot shells deep through another mans face so it implodes.. *gets out his umbrella* Watch out skull fragment coming down....

You see it all the time humans are mostly two faced back stabbing creatures... I have known christians of many types... catholic, JW, baptist and so on that claim to have this special love for all... You seen them when trying to have a meal and there is a screaming whiny baby at the next table... or someone cuts them off in traffic.. or in drunken situations.. Meh I don't know where I'm going with this... Just you cannot love everyone.

I can love someone and be upset. Trust me I have 3 teenage daughters and a 4 yr old. Just cause I get upset at the parents of the 2 month old crying in the movie theater does not mean I hate them or dont love them it means I am irritated.

[17th Angel]

Don't you just want to get up there and shove their face into some popcorn the kick them in the rear so they roll down to the bottom of the theatre and then just scream "SHUT UP!!!!!!!!"

:/ Thats me irritated... Irritation is violence's lil sister.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Don't you just want to get up there and shove their face into some popcorn the kick them in the rear so they roll down to the bottom of the theatre and then just scream "SHUT UP!!!!!!!!"

:/ Thats me irritated... Irritation is violence's lil sister.

Irritation is violence's lil sister...I like that.

Did you make that up? Can I use it?