Turn the Other Cheek - Page 5

Prober · 02-04-2007, 10:59 PM

Some see the world as it is and say "why".

I see the world as it could be and say "why not".

Too idealistic?

pfw · 02-04-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Prober

Some see the world as it is and say "why".

I see the world as it could be and say "why not".

Too idealistic?

Nope, not too idealistic at all- just don't expect it to happen right away! Without people like you and Wil things would never change and, if we were lucky, we'd still be bashing each other over the head to get to the water hole... My problem isn't the idealism it's the seeming expectation that it should happen straight away.

Quahom1 · 02-05-2007, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wil

...since we failed miserably in Afghanistan...

We've buggered it up, and we can't admit it. Folks laughed about the vietnam references 3 years ago... Today we shake our heads at the arrogance of 'mission accomplished'

Was Saddam a benevolent dictator...NO! Did he commit many crimes against his own people YES! But he is one on a long list...and spin as we may we no longer have any viable reason that we picked his country to set up.

We can make all the excuses that we want that turn the other cheek don't work. Truth is, war isn't working out so well either.

How many times should the US turn the other cheek? We did so in 1982, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2000 and decided in 2001 that enough is enough.

When someone bent on your demise gets stunned by a punch, you don't stop and call for peace. You keep on pounding until your nemisis can't get up. Because if you don't, he will keep coming at you until his goal is met. Then there will be peace, but it will be the peace of the dead.

You may think the US is a failure, but then you don't have to worry relatively speaking, about a car bomb going off in front of your house.

I agree peace is preferrabe, however I accept that sometimes one has to fight to obtain it.

I firmly believe in the symbolism of the Seal of the United States.

Prober · 02-05-2007, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

When someone bent on your demise gets stunned by a punch, you don't stop and call for peace. You keep on pounding until your nemisis can't get up. Because if you don't, he will keep coming at you until his goal is met.

One must be completely committed either way...

17th Angel · 02-05-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Prober

Some see the world as it is and say "why".

I see the world as it could be and say "why not".

Prober look's upon the world as what it could be while saying "Why not?" And I see Prober as he is and answer "Because."

Prober · 02-05-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Prober look's upon the world as what it could be while saying "Why not?" And I see Prober as he is and answer "Because."

I know...that waz kinda corny, huh?

17th Angel · 02-05-2007, 04:37 PM

Not really, "why" is always a good tool... But to look deeper and then ask "why not" I can't see that as corny ;/ Awareness.

Prober · 02-05-2007, 04:41 PM

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Not really, "why" is always a good tool... But to look deeper and then ask "why not" I can't see that as corny ;/ Awareness.

Thanks, 17th.

17th Angel · 02-05-2007, 04:43 PM

I got ya back there patnah!

Prober · 02-05-2007, 04:46 PM

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I got ya back there patnah!

Wah hah...

(Whydya shootim? He needdid shootin!)

wil · 02-05-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

How many times should the US turn the other cheek? We did so in 1982, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2000 and decided in 2001 that enough is enough.

When someone bent on your demise gets stunned by a punch, you don't stop and call for peace. You keep on pounding until your nemisis can't get up. Because if you don't, he will keep coming at you until his goal is met. Then there will be peace, but it will be the peace of the dead.

Namaste Q,

Believe me, I know where you are coming from and hear your plight. I've had plenty of military in my family and much concern for the man on the ground.

But our methods and reasoning is so flawed... As I indicated I would fully support justice for Osama and his clan. But we were not able to do that. What we did do was what was requested by conoco over a decade ago...get the Taliban out so they can finish the pipeline...that is Afghanistan.

But please label your years of US turning the other cheek, which of the 650,000 Iraqi civilian dead committed any crime against us during those years??? While I am not indicating we should be invading our good friends in Saudi Arabia...the place where we have bases, and oil treaties...truth is, their people have been behind the lions share of the incidents you mentioned.

I do not think the US is a failure, I think we fail in many ways... We have so much potential....we could do so much better with the resources and brain trust we have.