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Old 11-04-2004, 12:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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U.S. Air Force Takes a Look at Teleportation

Incredible. I always knew science fiction literature and movies will end with a serious investigation and research by the scientists.

Maybe you would not belive this, but U.S. Air Force regards the military potential of teleportation. Not a bad thing to have movies like Star Trek and Stargate S.G.1, after all.

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Teleportation Physics Study was done by Eric Davis of Warp Drive Metrics. Its purpose -
"This study was tasked with the purpose of collecting information describing the teleportation of material objects, providing a description of teleportation as it occurs in physics, its theoretical and experimental status, and a projection of potential applications. The study also consisted of a search for teleportation phenomena occurring naturally or under laboratory conditions that can be assembled into a model describing the conditions required to accomplish the transfer of objects."



Here you have the article on space.com :

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technovel_teleport_041103.html
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Someone say "Philedelphia Experiment!"
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Old 11-06-2004, 11:35 AM   #3 (permalink)
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This experiment tells me something, but I don't remember what.
Brian what do you know about it ?
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The USS Eldridge (a DDG) Escort Destroyer, home ported in Phildelphia in 1943, allegedly had massive electromagnetic generators installed to test the theory that light spectrum of energy could be "bent" around an object, thus rendering the object RADAR invisible. According to folklore, the USS Eldridge went out into the middle of the harbor and engaged the generators, in the beginning and middle stages of the test the ship did become RADAR invisible, and all considered it a success. However, the generators continued to build up an electromagnetic field. People on the pier observed strange waves of distortion in the area around the Eldridge (like the shimmering view of the air just above a hot asphalt road in summer). Then, allegedly the USS Eldridge vanished from sight. There was allegedly still a depresion in the water, indicating the weight of the USS Eldridge still displacing that area of the harbor's water, but after a few seconds that depression was gone, causing the water to slap up into a geyser.

The lore continues on with the USS Eldridge suddenly appearing in Portmouth, Virginia with a green haze all around it, then it vanished the same way it did in Philidelphia. A few moments later the Eldridge re-appeared in Philidephia, where it originally floated, but there was a horrific sight on board, from observers on the shore. Men were running around the weather decks screaming and holding their heads. Others were allegedly fused with the bulkheads or decks, still alive, some. Most were burnt on various parts of the body.

Apparently the engineers shut down the generators, which caused the Eldridge to re-appear in Philidelphia.

Tales state that while the men on the weather decks suffered the most physically, those inside the skin of the ship suffered shock mentally. Everthing appeared translucent, including each other. Nothing was solid in appearance.

The Philidephia Experiment was a horrible success, according to the tales.

In the late 1980s the folklore gave food for a movie titled the Philidelphia Experiment, which starred Michael Pere.

That is one version of the alleged Philidelphia experiment.

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Incredible. I always knew science fiction literature and movies will end with a serious investigation and research by the scientists.

Maybe you would not belive this, but U.S. Air Force regards the military potential of teleportation. Not a bad thing to have movies like Star Trek and Stargate S.G.1, after all.




Here you have the article on space.com :

http://www.space.com/businesstechnol...rt_041103.html
Maybe because it has been proven on a micro-physical level, and now they want to see if it can be done on a macro level. Tell you what though, they better develop computers with 10,000 times the ability that the current Cray computers are capable of, just to even teleport a carbon molecule in its entirety. And to map a human body would take a stack of 100 gig hardrives the length of the distance between the Earth and the Sun, 10 times.

Then there is the Heisenburg principle (yep it is a real concept), to have to compensate for. The uncertanty that something will remain in place, as is, at the moment of discompensation, is a real pain to deal with.

But I commend anyone who is willing to try to make it work (just don't call me to volunteer for a 'trip' until pattern buffers have been perfected).

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Re: U.S. Air Force Takes a Look at Teleportation

I knew that story rang a bell somewhere into my memory.

About those computers, I think they are working on it. Something related to nanotechnology. Don't ask me for details, as I haven't.

And no, I'm not a volonteer for this kind of experiment neither. Too scary for my taste.

What I find interesting is that the science-fiction from a SF movie or a book, has good chances to became the science from the future. Does this mean our scientists don't have any imagination and they need a SF writer to guide them into a future invention ?
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But I commend anyone who is willing to try to make it work (just don't call me to volunteer for a 'trip' until pattern buffers have been perfected).
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And no, I'm not a volunteer for this kind of experiment neither. Too scary for my taste.
The only way I'd volunteer is if they reinstated the draft and someone donated three times the current American deficit to each of seven different charities (of which I will specify) before I "volunteer". *a quick nod of satisfaction*

Can you say "chicken"? I knew you could.

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I knew that story rang a bell somewhere into my memory.

About those computers, I think they are working on it. Something related to nanotechnology. Don't ask me for details, as I haven't.

And no, I'm not a volonteer for this kind of experiment neither. Too scary for my taste.

What I find interesting is that the science-fiction from a SF movie or a book, has good chances to became the science from the future. Does this mean our scientists don't have any imagination and they need a SF writer to guide them into a future invention ?
I invite you to read the works of French Author Jules Verne (circa 1859). He wrote one particular story wherein the heroes launched a ballistic capsule from a place called "Cape Canaveral, Florida" in July of the year (now known as Cape Kennedy), and his "capsule" traveled three days to get to the Moon @ 80,000? mph.

In any event, the trajectory and specifics that this "Author" figured out and penned into his story, were less than 1000th off the actual trajectory and specifics that Apollo's 9 through 17 used (with computer assistance for computation), to go to the moon. This also makes sense since his heroes "crashed" on the Moon for being slightly off in the calculations. And of course they left from Cape Canaveral (Kennedy). Again, let me point out that J Verne wrote his book in 1859, 110 years before man actually set foot on the moon.

I think our scientists rely on our imaginers, in order to find fuel for their theories.

Now, consider the imagination of a California motorcycle Cop, named Gene Roddenbery...who had this great idea for a sci-fi epic back in 1959...He called it 'A Star Trek' wagon train to the stars...

Things that make you go hmmm...

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I invite you to read the works of French Author Jules Verne (circa 1859). He wrote one particular story wherein the heroes launched a ballistic capsule from a place called "Cape Canaveral, Florida" in July of the year (now known as Cape Kennedy), and his "capsule" traveled three days to get to the Moon @ 80,000? mph.
I read at least 20 of his books long time ago. I have an entire collection of his works.

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That's exactly my point.

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I didn't read this one, but I enjoyed watching Star Trek The Next Generation. I had no interest in the others, made after. It was fun at the beginning.
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I read at least 20 of his books long time ago. I have an entire collection of his works.



That's exactly my point.


I didn't read this one, but I enjoyed watching Star Trek The Next Generation. I had no interest in the others, made after. It was fun at the beginning.
Forgive me if I misread you Alexa. Gene Roddenbery invented Star Trek, as well as Andromeda and Earth, Final Conflict (tv series). The First Star Trek pilot episode (produced by Desilu productions...Lucy and Desy Anrez of I Love Lucy) was created in 1964. The Title was called the "Menagerie", and had Captain Christopher Pike as the Commanding officer as well as (GOD FORBID) LOL, a woman as his Executive Officer. Remember, in 1964 women did not hold such high positions in anything official, let alone the military...

Roddenbery took his idea for a "Starship", and Starfleet from his most favorite "military agency" (The United States Coast Guard). If you look at the hull of starships, you'll notice that they are all pearl white, with red and blue stripes around the saucer perimeter (a passing salute to the Coast Guard).

In a documetary, Mr. Roddenbery admits, that his concept was based on the services and function of the Coast Guard. He thought that service was the best service the US could portray (because of its dominant theme of humanitarian service to the world at large).

He foresaw:

cell phones
lap top computers
Padds
Hypo spray injectors instead of needles
man's life extended to 140 years (average)
women in command
One world government
diagnostic medical beds
MRIs (now real)
CT scans (now real)
worm holes
black holes (now proven)
time travel
GPS technology (Global positioning System technology)
interrace blending
the ban on smoking cigarettes
same sex unions
genetic manipulation
invitro fertilization
euthenasia
abortion on demand
Russia's change to Democracy
The United States, Mexico, and Canada becoming one nation
World War III (based on a super race of humans genetically enhanced, from the Asian/Middle Eastern continent)
water becoming an energy source (Fuel cells)
Ion Propulsion (which is now a reality)
matter/energy transfer (transporter technology which is now proven)

...the list goes on and on.

Next time you flip open you cell phone to make a call...think "Kirk to Enterprise..." via 1959.

BTW, Rodenberry's 2nd wife is Majel Barrett (she was #1, the executive officer, in the first pilot, and Nurse Chapel in the original series, and Deanna Troy's mother in the Next Generation...as well as the computer voice of the Enterprise for all of the series').

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The United States, Mexico, and Canada becoming one nation
Oh God, please don't let this one happen !

From what I read Gene Roddenbery is brimful of imagination. I hope some items from your list will remain only science fiction, like World War III. I won't say no to women in command, though.
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Oh God, please don't let this one happen !

From what I read Gene Roddenbery is brimful of imagination. I hope some items from your list will remain only science fiction, like World War III. I won't say no to women in command, though.
Women are already in command. They are Generals and Admirals of signifigant stature in the United States Military...I know first hand. And my boss was phenominal.

Now our only worry is eugenics (DNA manipulation, in order to perfect humans)...lions and tigers and bears, oh my.

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Oh God, please don't let this one happen !

Se Habla Espanol? Vous parlez en Francais? Speak English eh? It is already happening.

Roddenberry...brilliant man.

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It's good news to hear some women are in command as Generals and Amirals. Oh My, tough jobs ! I only hope they were not choosen only to have the % required in the army.

I agree, eugenics is really scary, especially in the hands of mad scientists. Did you see, by any chance Dark Angel, with Jessica Alba ?

No, I don't speak Spanish, only French and English. What do you mean it's already happening ?
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Just browsing and found this thread....

A couple months ago I listened to an interview (scroll down to November 6th 2005) with Edgar Mitchell, 6th Astronaut to step on the moon, and the studies he was involved in with NASA on ESP during the Apollo flights. He went on to found the Institute of Noetic Sciences http://www.noetic.org/

and now for more beyond the ordinary some recommendations for personal experience....save money on travel...

ADVENTURES BEYOND THE BODY
(how to experience out-of body travel)
by William Buhlman
Ed Harper San Francisco 1996
ISBN 0-06-25137-10
First Printing: 1996

Also, you might be curious about the website:
http://www.monroeinstitute.org
The Monroe Institute - Route 1, Box 175
Faber - Virginia 22938-9749
has a series of cassettes called "The Gateway Voyage"
and books. A choice, one can go to Faber to be monitored on the
doing but it is not necessary at all, so natural is the process.
Robert Monroe quote: "The greatest illusion is that mankind has
limitations".

Once you do all that easily, you swish to taking your body with you.
That is called Teleportation. At the Ranch, they call it Bilocating.
Quite the rage right now.
A marvellous book on the subject:
TELEPORTATION
(A practical guide for the metaphysical traveler)
by Gwen Totterdale.PhD and Jessica Severn.PhD
Printed by: Words of Wisdom International, Inc.
Miami Beach, Florida
ISBN 1-884695-42-6
First Printing: 1996
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