unredeemable?

[shadowman]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Can you say out loud "Christ is Lord?

i know that this is how it is supposed to work in christianity. and i am definitely a wretch that needs amazing grace, but i cant let that stamp out my rational thouht side, and the argument of god doesnt have to be rational or make sense doesnt sit well with me either.

my problem at this point is i either know too much to embrace christianity in that fashion, or i dont know enough. i know that if "interpreted correctly" the bible is contradiciton less. but to me that isnt proof of a divine hand anymore than any other religious texts. i think they all "work" if they are used the right way.

blindly following a path like chrisitanity would make my psychosis reach a higer state where i start hearing jesus voices instead of devil voices.

so far, in my view, christianity is a mild mental illness that is unbeleivably positive for the saved follower, unimaginably terrible for anyone that disagrees, and thats the part that irks me.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by shadowman

blindly following a path like chrisitanity would make my psychosis reach a higer state where i start hearing jesus voices instead of devil voices.

it is not blindly that man follows christ, but in the knowledge that he is our saviour and we have eternal life through him.

[Terrence]

Shadowman,

Do you want to become a Christian? If so, why? If not, what do you want...What would you like to happen?

Later,

Terrence

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by shadowman

i know that this is how it is supposed to work in christianity. and i am definitely a wretch that needs amazing grace, but i cant let that stamp out my rational thouht side, and the argument of god doesnt have to be rational or make sense doesnt sit well with me either.

my problem at this point is i either know too much to embrace christianity in that fashion, or i dont know enough. i know that if "interpreted correctly" the bible is contradiciton less. but to me that isnt proof of a divine hand anymore than any other religious texts. i think they all "work" if they are used the right way.

blindly following a path like chrisitanity would make my psychosis reach a higer state where i start hearing jesus voices instead of devil voices.

so far, in my view, christianity is a mild mental illness that is unbeleivably positive for the saved follower, unimaginably terrible for anyone that disagrees, and thats the part that irks me.

no..seriously... just speak the words out loud.. "Jesus is Lord" Can you physically do that?

[shadowman]

yes

[Faithfulservant]

Then you arent possessed.. hey be happy!!

[shadowman]

so you dont think its possible to sell ones soul? i hope so. hope im just a little schizo!

selling ones soul, thats different from posession right?

i hope so

this is good ammo eiter way!

thanks.

[BlaznFattyz]

there is no greater power than the grace of god.

[moseslmpg]

Selling one's soul is not possession, but it can lead to it. Usually when one is possessed there are long stretches of time they do not remember, so you are most definitely not possessed. If you can touch crucifixes and holy water and all that, I would say there is no possession. However, it could be a case of oppression or obsession which eventually leads to possession if it is allowed. Oppression usually involves external phenomena like objects moving by themselves, strange smells and noises, but obsession is characterized by being fixated on something. I left my books on this at home, so I can't remember that much.

Shadow, I think what we ned to know here is what perspective you are asking this from. If you don't want a Christian point of view because you don't want to have to believe in Christianity, then pick another feasible belief. If you don't want religious view, pick psychology. The thing is, no one can tell you what to believe, but it would be helpful to know what you personally subscribe to so someone can form a solution based on that.

[shadowman]

i dont have a problem with my idea of christ, that he was a teacher and was later diefied, im not sure what he actually said or taught, but i do like the bible and other books from the canonical periods.

i think that all religions want us to live wit love for the most part, and be aware of the consequences of our actions.

i thik when he said get rid of material wealth, he was more talking about internal changes. i tihnk thats what he was talking about period, internal changes

but actions influence our internal "self"

so he wanted us to die to our self and live in his spirit which i interpret to mean "live in the spirit of love"

love most high godd

love neighbor as self


many christians disagree

the holy spirit is not simply love and understanding of following christs example, to them it is some supernatural connection to the god that can only be aCCESSED BY BEleiving christ to be personal redeemer of all mankind

i agree that in my interpretation, his WAY of love and spirit of love, and letting the self gradually die off is the way for all mankind, but i dont think, i dont want to think that people that live like this yet dont think they are supernaturally, divinely saved by christ the god are condemned.


i actually think that faith in general, faith in things not seen or prooved. in things that in any other secular domain would require more reason and logic for a human with reason and logic to accept, faith in the impossible more or less, in all religions, if done correctly leads to a mild psychosis. if oyu keep on beleiving something that isnt there, your mind makes it become there. you learn all the attributes of jesus just like you learn all the attributes of krishna, and when tyou pray to jesus, you feel better, just like when you chant hare krishna,

i see love and harmony with mankind, understanding of ones actions and their consequences in many paths, not just christianity.

neverhteless, i startd hearing voices

then, i got frustrated and wanted divine help

i prayed to jesus and krishna, frantically

then i frantically thought, well maybe satan can help

at this point i didnt know too much about all the mythology but i played the "devils interval" from a tartini violin piece on my instrument

i heard voices saying "we will give you what you want"

i dont remember what else, i rmemeber being very scared thinking i was in the presence of a spirit of evil

a voice asked for my soul, another voice inside me said yes. since then the voices have been quite strange....


so you guys think that in christian mythology or according to christianity, it is possible to get the devil to reveal himself to you, and then take your soul before you die? kind of like getting pre judgement or pre condemnation?

[shadowman]

by the way. i dont think im hearing voices because of not following christ, (in the sense of not accepting him as my savior)bt i was disobeying ten commandments, i was irresponsible, lazy, bad, angry, rageful and sarcastic with my parents, i wasnt following ten commandments, or hindu codes, or egyptian laws of maat and i wasnt selflessly living like a buddhist, i was following the wrong path according to everyone.

psychoanalysist thinks iwas looking for a way out so i wouldnt have to deal with life, when i asked for satan to appear, my mind jumped at the opportunity to create another level of pychosis, i already had schizotypal thought before.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by shadowman

so you dont think its possible to sell ones soul? i hope so. hope im just a little schizo!

selling ones soul, thats different from posession right?

i hope so

this is good ammo eiter way!

thanks.

Can't sell what you don't own...not when it belongs to God to begin with...kind of like "logack" only it is instant and always.

my thoughts

[Quahom1]

Remember, Lucifer is the master of deception...including who owns what. Bible makes ownership quite clear. Suggest you crack open the "opperator's manual", to find out how you tick, and why...

[moseslmpg]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Can't sell what you don't own...not when it belongs to God to begin with...kind of like "logack" only it is instant and always.

my thoughts

Yeah, I agree with that as well. You can't really give your soul to someone else, and even if you could, it's my understanding that the soul is the part of a person that animates the body. However, there are some people that dedicate themselves to other forces wilfully, which is more like renting out their soul in this case.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by moseslmpg

Yeah, I agree with that as well. You can't really give your soul to someone else, and even if you could, it's my understanding that the soul is the part of a person that animates the body. However, there are some people that dedicate themselves to other forces wilfully, which is more like renting out their soul in this case.

Didn't say one can't lose their soul. Just can't give their soul. I know, this is going to be a serious exercise in philosophy and thought ( suspect we both need the exercise)