Vampyrism

[BeckyThatch]

Vampirism ... hmmm. Not for me though I can see the appeal.

I'd say it's not a religion as much as it is just a way of expressing feminine sexual fantasies of cannibalism.

In my expereince I find I lot of women can put that sort of thing into their fantasies but not very many men. I also find that the guys who fantasize about this sort of thing are usually highly disfunctional. I'd even go so far as to call them twisted f*cks.

But hey, to each their own.

[EnlightenKisses]

First off i like to thank all those who replyed to me. I was only looking into it as curiosity. I may be 16 and still in your eyes a child but i havn't been a child since my mom was a live and that was when i was 5. I havn't been on the computer in a while which is why i didnt type anything back. But i did want to check back at this just in case there where decent ppl who would like to help me. Once again thank you. I don't believe there are vampires or witches or any other things or maybe i do believe in that. But i wont ever practice it. I dont have a religion and honestly i dont want one. I believe that believing in something that you can't see is rediculous. There is no proof that there is a God. There is no proof that there are vampires but merely ppl claiming they are. It's your religion and if you want to believe in it that is up to you. I was just curious on what it actually was and the history in it. I have looked on the interent but havn't found anything that great. I want real peoples point of views which is why i typed something on here. I'm a movie buff and i plan on making horror movies that consist of vampires and satanist and all that. I find the stuff interesting but i do not believe. Once again Thank you to all those who replyed and took the time to read. I'll check back when i get on again. However if any one wants to contact me:
Aim: EnlightenKisses.
Yahoo: EnlightenKisses16

[Blackrose]

Originally Posted by EnlightenKisses

First off i like to thank all those who replyed to me. I was only looking into it as curiosity. I may be 16 and still in your eyes a child but i havn't been a child since my mom was a live and that was when i was 5. I havn't been on the computer in a while which is why i didnt type anything back. But i did want to check back at this just in case there where decent ppl who would like to help me. Once again thank you. I don't believe there are vampires or witches or any other things or maybe i do believe in that. But i wont ever practice it. I dont have a religion and honestly i dont want one. I believe that believing in something that you can't see is rediculous. There is no proof that there is a God. There is no proof that there are vampires but merely ppl claiming they are. It's your religion and if you want to believe in it that is up to you. I was just curious on what it actually was and the history in it. I have looked on the interent but havn't found anything that great. I want real peoples point of views which is why i typed something on here. I'm a movie buff and i plan on making horror movies that consist of vampires and satanist and all that. I find the stuff interesting but i do not believe. Once again Thank you to all those who replyed and took the time to read. I'll check back when i get on again. However if any one wants to contact me:
Aim: EnlightenKisses.
Yahoo: EnlightenKisses16

Why do you seem to think that people should take their time to teach you about something of which you actually have no real interest? In essence, that is a form of vampirism in itself, expecting other to give you their time and energy without anything in return. Bit of an unbalance energy exchange.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by EnlightenKisses

First off i like to thank all those who replyed to me. I was only looking into it as curiosity. I may be 16 and still in your eyes a child

Your old enough to smoke, drive a car and in most countries to consent to sexual intercourse and marriage ;\ I wouldn't say you're a child. However it find odd you asking questions about something you don't really care about...

[EnlightenKisses]

I dont think ppl should take the time to teach me about this. I was just asking. And i have a interest in this. Which is why im asking. Honestly i want to know more then what is in the movies. My friend and my ex boyfriend tend to believe they are vampires. My ex boyfriend tends to think i am. Which is something i dont believe. I'm just a curious girl who wants to know more about something that ppl claim to be. I think by ppl continuing to ask why and aren't you to young and you dont really have a interest or dont really care isn't doing me any good on finding out the information. So please if you can stop asking the questions and start supplying information the less you will hear from me which is probaly what you all want anyways cause im betting you ppl dont want me on this thing anyways. And anothor thing if no one is going to help me then please stop replying to this so i can move on to a new forum place.
Thank you.

[moseslmpg]

Did you read those links I provided? Also, just to refresh my memory, and if you can stand two more questions, what information do you want exactly? Vampire folklore, vampiric subculture, vampiric "magick," information on conditions that could have inspired vampirism? If you're more specific, I have some books that may or may not help, depending on what you want to know.

[path_of_one]

At this point I'm just not getting it. I don't understand what you are asking that we haven't already supplied.

There is tons of information on vampirism of various sorts in the references I provided.

As for whether your friend, ex-boyfriend, and you are vampires... well, I guess I'd start by wondering what *kind* of vampires. Obviously, if you read up on it, there are various sorts from all the folks that believe they can't help but need additional energy to the folks that choose a "vampire lifestyle" and/or joining vampire religious groups or orders.

And I will offer up one bit of advice. Any reputable site (and any decent ordinary "real vampire/human living vampire") will say that: 1) only you can determine if you are a vampire and 2) no one can make you into a vampire.

Basically, in all counts it's an identity thing. Real vampires are such because that is how they view themselves. And other types of vampires (lifestylers and such) make a choice that it's an identity they wish to assume for themselves. I don't know from your vague discussions if your friends just like vampires and are lifestylers or if they feel they are human living vampires, and I don't understand why they'd assume you are if you think you're not.

But at any rate, the links I've provided should be helpful.

[moseslmpg]

In reference to the reputable sites: If they're talking about vampire folklore or the vampire as an actual supernatural entity, I think they will tell you that someone can influence the transformation into a vampire, if not force it.

But then, I'm not sure exactly which one we are talking about here anyway.

[path_of_one]

I'm with you- I still don't know what we're really talking about.

I've been guessing she means human living vampires or vampire lifestylers or vampire orders of some sort, since she's talking about them saying they are vampires and thinking she's one.

Aside from the folklore and a few people I've met who, quite frankly, just don't seem all that with it in the mental health department, there really isn't evidence that there are supernatural vampires or a way to "make" a vampire. And even then, would the real supernatural vampires be the modern myth- young forever, alluring, and imbued with supernatural powers- or would they just be the original myth- ruddy-faced, kinda ugly, and nothing that special?

[moseslmpg]

Oh yeah, I wasn't implying that someone can convert you to vampire subculture or delusions by biting you...unless you were already delusional, in which case you would probably believe thy could. But yeah, I don't think any credible site on modern vampirism would say that things are like they are in movies.

[Blackrose]

Just thought I would make a bit of a comment here since I was the one to bring up the subject of Vampirism here and have been quite for sometime now. Been busy with other things. Anyway, here are my thought on things.

Concerning the subject of MAKING vampires, if we are talking about the human vampire, most people of the vampire community believe that vampirism is a result of a condition of the spiritual body which requires the vampire to feed because they can't produce enough spiritual energy to substain themselves or they burn it off quicker than they produce it, or they just have a problem containing it.

Many within the Vampire Community seem to believe that you have to be born a vampire, you may be 'awakened' but not 'turned' or 'made a vampire'. Myself, I believe that if it is a condition of the subtle bodies then there must be a way of creating such a condition. Thus, I feel it must be possible to make a person a vampire, or turn them so to speak.

Concerning spiritual vampires, this gets deeper into occultism. If one believes in an after life and believes there are people who are vampires ( who feed off the life-force of others ) in this life, then it only follows that there are those shades of the dead (or undead) the continue there existance as a vampire in the after-life.

Also, if there are humans that can be vampiric, and one believes in spirits such as angels, demons, djinn, nuture spirits and the like, what is to say that some of these spirts could not be vampiric?

There is also within magic what is known as the creation of servitors. Servitors are in essence an extention of the magicians psyche that seem to take on a life of their own after their creation. It is possible to create a vampiric servitor.

One must understand that my idea of vamprism is the feeding upon the life-force of another. I understand that there are vampires that drink actual blood. But the blood only serves as a link to the life-force of the one whose blood is being drank. Unless there is an exchange of energy then the drinking of blood is nothing more than a fetish.

Well, I think I have went on long enough.

[moseslmpg]

How does one turn another person into a vampire, IYO?

[path_of_one]

Yes, I've heard a lot of this discussion on some of the real vampire sites. Personally, I don't buy that it is a spiritual condition. I suppose it could be an energetic condition, but I don't think these necessarily persist after death.

I very strongly feel that vampires are not a certain "species" or "race" of otherkin, but that is wrapped up in a broader issue of the nature of the soul. There are reasons even within the otherkin and vampire communities to think there are logical issues with thinking of vampires as a soul "species" rather than as a condition. For example, it isn't uncommon for self-identified "elves," who are supposedly high-energy (like putting out energy all the time) to still have vampiric tendencies, and often to first find the otherkin community through thinking they are vampires.

From what I understand about energy-feeding and vampirism, it can be conditions such as critical illness that bring about someone unknowingly becoming vampiric. Their own energetic weakness leads to their (generally unknowing) feeding off others' energy. This is one reason why I would tend to think that if there are people who really can't help but be vampiric, needing to feed off others' energy (rather than simply becoming addicted to it), then it's an energetic issue and not a spiritual one. I've noticed that insecure people, depressed people, etc. also do this a lot.

I think all humans feed off others' energy to some degree or another. This is why large sporting events, rock concerts, and so forth are so pleasant to people. The ambient energy is really, really high and people soak it in, and this gives them a sort of energetic high that feels good. Vampires are either people who get addicted to extra energy, almost as a drug, so that they feel withdrawals without it, or they somehow feel low on energy all the time and so crave it from others. I think it's a matter of degree rather than vampire/not vampire.

I don't know the first thing about servitors, so I have no comments on that.

[Blackrose]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

Yes, I've heard a lot of this discussion on some of the real vampire sites. Personally, I don't buy that it is a spiritual condition. I suppose it could be an energetic condition, but I don't think these necessarily persist after death.

I have heard it said in a few of the vampire communities that the adept vampire learns in this life to function on the spiritual planes, ( I take this to mean the astral and etheric planes ), going forth by night upon the dream plane to feed upon the unsuspecting, then after the death of the physical body they feed upon the life-force of others to avoid the second death, (the death of the subtile bodies). Thus I gues this could be the 'vampire spirits' mentioned earlier in this thread.

[17th Angel]

I think you will find that again has something to do with old folk lore... In some parts of the world, they say that the second death is the "victims" soul and also greed... The vampire shouldn't drink every drop of blood from it's prey as it will consume that vampire.... *shruggs*