Warning

[wil]

Namaste Terrence,

I truly wish you the best on your path. I don't know how long you've been beating this drum this hard, but if what I've seen with others has any correlation with what I hear from you. You'll look back at these years with a combination satisfaction at what you learned from this time, and regret that you pushed many away from the word due to overzealousness.

All of G-d's gifts have a level of underuse, and overuse....and a balance point. You may want to consider setting down the two by four...

I do admire your tenacity, but don't see that it assists you in what I perceive your goal to be.

[China Cat Sunflower]

I didn't listen to the sermon, partly for the reasons 123 mentioned, but mostly because it takes forever to download something like that on a dial-up connection. From what's been said, though, I can pretty well surmise what was said.

Just as an off handed observation: I think that there are some people who like a good old fashioned fire and brimstone sermon. It fires you up and lasts all week!

Personally, the whole "you're a worthless piece of crap" approach is a big part of what pushed me away from Christianity. Maybe that plays well on skid row, in prison, or at the AA meeting, but it doesn't have much attraction for people who aren't in a personal crisis where they need to effect a major transformation that they don't have the will to manage on their own.

I personally think the whole hard core evangelism thing smacks severely of mind control techniques. Why else would it be so important to convince people of their essential lack of worth? My experience, breaking out of that kind of mindset, was that it left me thinking that since I obviously couldn't be a good person of my own volition, I might as well be as bad as possible. It took several years of my conscience grinding on me to realize that I was naturally good. That I naturally wanted to be good, and didn't need to be coerced. But in the meantime I engaged in some seriously self-defeating behaviour because I thought I was doomed to be bad so I might as well embrace it.

Chris

[Terrence]

Oh, how hard it is for good people to see the wonder of the gospel! Congradulation to you on this forum! You have inspired me to write a new blog. It will be called "Good people Hate God." You who love your children and give money to the poor and do all sorts of good deeds, be careful. Either God is right when He called you evil and said your good deeds are as filty menstration rags, or you make Him a liar. If you never see yourself the way God, who is Pefect, and Holy sees you apart from Christ, you will NEVER understand the grace shown forth in the infinite agony of the suffering of Christ. And, you will die in your sins.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Terrence

.... You have inspired me to write a new blog. It will be called "Good people Hate God." ... God is right when He ... said your good deeds are as filty menstration rags....And, you will die in your sins.

Yikes you do have a way of making everyone elses point quite clear.

a. I don't believe anyone here hates G-d, so I wonder where your inspiration truly comes from.

b. It is interesting what you believe G-d says to you.

There are so many people I run into on the net that I wish someday to meet in person, and then there are others....

[China Cat Sunflower]

You can be a tampon all you want, Terrence. I'm a righteous dude in my own right. I don't kill, steal, lie, cheat on my wife; I don't want what my neighbor's got, and I take at least one day off work a week. Oh, and my mom and dad say I'm a swell son.

Chris

[Terrence]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

You can be a tampon all you want, Terrence. I'm a righteous dude in my own right. I don't kill, steal, lie, cheat on my wife; I don't want what my neighbor's got, and I take at least one day off work a week. Oh, and my mom and dad say I'm a swell son.

Chris

Hey Chris,

Whats up? Listen, pior to three years ago, I was a pretty nice guy. Honest! I mean, I did what most teens and early 20 year olds did. I certianly didnt kill anyone or do anything to make me bad, presay. In fact, I was among the "good guys." Most of my friends called me the peace maker and the goodie good guy. All I did was tried to enjoy myself by making money and finding the pretties girls to party with. But, wouldnt you know it, one day I came face-to-face with the gospel of Christ and heard about God's holiness. You know how you said you've never killed anyone? Well, I said that too. But, here's what Jesus said, If you hate your brother or call him a fool, you are likened to be a murderer. God sees the hearts of men, and judges us by our heart's intent. You know how you said you never chated on your wife? Well, neither did I, I once said. But again, Jesus said, if you look at a woman to lust after her, you have already commited adultery wiith her in your heart. Again, God sees your heart's desires.

The problem with man, the bible says, is the issue of the heart. Out of it, all evil and wickedness comes from. Ironically, however, we dont see those things the way God sees it. To us, a lie isnt so bad. To Him its an infinte offense aganst His Holy Character. To us, looking at a hot chick is fun, to Him its adultery. To us, hating someone is sometimes approprate, to God ist murder. God is holy, Chris. And, we are so far from His likenss. We dont see things like He does. And, therein lies the crux of the problem, Chris. You can continue saying that you are not bad and compare yourself to worse people, or you can compare yourself to Jesus and see the truth, that you are of the worse kinds of people, like me and everyone else. Your thoughts alone are the most disgusting and vile thoughts ever before God who is Pure and Holy. There is forgiveness for those who reconize this truth. Its found in Jesus. Repent and Trust in Him.

[Terrence]

Originally Posted by wil

Yikes you do have a way of making everyone elses point quite clear.

a. I don't believe anyone here hates G-d, so I wonder where your inspiration truly comes from.

b. It is interesting what you believe G-d says to you.

There are so many people I run into on the net that I wish someday to meet in person, and then there are others....

You have made up a god in your mind. One who is so wicked that he allows law breakers to commit vile acts and lets them go. You call him a god of love, ironically. That is called idolotry and is a violation of the 2nd commandment of the True God. The True God is Love, therefore, he hates things. If you love children, you will hate abortions. If you love goodness, you will hate evil. This is God, He hates anything opposite to His Holy character. He promises that he will not allow the wicked to go unpunished. To display His amazing Love and mercy, He has looked over many sinners and did not treat them the way the should have been treated. Instead, He became a man and lived in the person of the Christ, Jesus, to do namely one thing - To suffer the infinitly holy and righteous wrath that God's nature demanded. God saved sinners from Himself, for Himself, and by Himself. You should repent and trust in Jesus that you may be forgiven.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Terrence

.. pior to three years ago,...I did what most teens and early 20 year olds ...

As I indicated my brother I admire your tenacity and love for G-d. Time heals all wounds, experience is an awesome teacher, walking the walk for a duration will yield new vistas. Enjoy the journey, just be careful you don't burn all the bridges as you may wish you didn't later.

[Faithfulservant]

Heres an analogy..

If you are one of those people that think you have as much time as you need to mend your ways and do right by God.. Check this out..

When all christmas lights get put up and all the stuff gets put on the stores shelves....You know those things mean Christmas...

Doesnt it also tell you that Thanksgiving is close?

The longest sermon Jesus taught was on the Mount of Olives.. Matthew Chapter 24.. ever wonder why?

[moseslmpg]

Originally Posted by Terrence

You have made up a god in your mind. One who is so wicked that he allows law breakers to commit vile acts and lets them go. You call him a god of love, ironically. That is called idolotry and is a violation of the 2nd commandment of the True God. The True God is Love, therefore, he hates things. If you love children, you will hate abortions. If you love goodness, you will hate evil. This is God, He hates anything opposite to His Holy character. He promises that he will not allow the wicked to go unpunished. To display His amazing Love and mercy, He has looked over many sinners and did not treat them the way the should have been treated. Instead, He became a man and lived in the person of the Christ, Jesus, to do namely one thing - To suffer the infinitly holy and righteous wrath that God's nature demanded. God saved sinners from Himself, for Himself, and by Himself. You should repent and trust in Jesus that you may be forgiven.

So, if there is a being that is Hate, it must love things? I was under the impression that God loved everything and everyone at all times... Is this what the sermon was about? Because you were right to give a warning, it scares the bejeezus out of me.

[Terrence]

Originally Posted by moseslmpg

So, if there is a being that is Hate, it must love things? I was under the impression that God loved everything and everyone at all times... Is this what the sermon was about? Because you were right to give a warning, it scares the bejeezus out of me.

Does Love require hate? Does hate require love?
About the audio though, good! You ought to be scared! You got a glimpse of the True God of the Bible and not the idol you've made up in your head. You should repent and trust in Jesus that you may be saved.

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, all!

Originally Posted by wil

As I indicated my brother I admire your tenacity and love for G-d. Time heals all wounds, experience is an awesome teacher, walking the walk for a duration will yield new vistas. Enjoy the journey, just be careful you don't burn all the bridges as you may wish you didn't later.

Thank you for this, wil. I would like to second this opinion.

[Prober]

Originally Posted by Terrence

You have made up a god in your mind. One who is so wicked that he allows law breakers to commit vile acts and lets them go. You call him a god of love, ironically. That is called idolotry and is a violation of the 2nd commandment of the True God. The True God is Love, therefore, he hates things. If you love children, you will hate abortions. If you love goodness, you will hate evil. This is God, He hates anything opposite to His Holy character. He promises that he will not allow the wicked to go unpunished. To display His amazing Love and mercy, He has looked over many sinners and did not treat them the way the should have been treated. Instead, He became a man and lived in the person of the Christ, Jesus, to do namely one thing - To suffer the infinitly holy and righteous wrath that God's nature demanded. God saved sinners from Himself, for Himself, and by Himself. You should repent and trust in Jesus that you may be forgiven.

Duality trap!

Good is not the opposite of evil, not-evil is...

[Terrence]

what is not evil? Come on, say it. Here's a clue: It starts with "G" and ends with "ood."

[I, Brian]

Funny how some people are very good at seeing evil everywhere. You think maybe it's just your heart you feel is evil, and projecting your criticisms from yourself to others? Simply asking.

Seems pretty remarkable that you've come to an interfaith forum, but rather than discussing issues of religion and theology here, you've set yourself up as the judge of all, insistent that everybody else is not simply wrong, but evil, and only you can help save us.

Most people in that mould don't last long here because they get removed. You're a guest of the community, so if I were you I would look to respect the hospitality you've been given, and perhaps even learn something on the site.

This is a community for discussion and learning, and not for arrogant individuals to set themselves up in judgement.

If you simply want to preach that all CR members are evil and only you alone know the TRUTH, then you're on the wrong site, bud. Chill out or move on.