water

[chakraman]

hi mee et al, i hope ur all awap,

i have a deep interest and fascination with water, i don't know if thats sounds strange. even stranger i once asked a glass of h2o what it was thinking or feeling and it replied "i'm a spaceship!"

as for the best water to drink ; i've tried in line filters, distillation, brita jugs, bottled and collecting from a spring. out of these i suppose that collecting from a "safe" spring and storing in glass for upto a week to 10 days is probably the best water you can drink imo, but of course not always easy or available. i am aware of the plastic issue with buying bottled water but as long as its kept in a cool dark place i feel its still better than filtered water. also softly mineralised water is preferrable imo, i.e. with a low calcium content. i think a descent in-line filter is good for cooking.

but there is another problem with making water good to drink and that comes from the fact that water likes to move freely. when it is kept still or forced to flow in straight lines it "dies" or becomes stale. the taste is bland and the minerals clump together becoming less usable. i've experimented quite alot with levitated water. for those that don't know, this involves using various subtle energy devices to enliven the water so that it again tastes great, as if it is has just come out of a spring. i tested it on my brother and cousin by taking two glasses of water from an identical source, i levitated one of them and 10 times out of 10 they chose this one for taste.

the ways of levitating water i have used are the vortex energiser and pulsor microcrystals. i believe magnets can also be used and also machines that spin the water very rapidly creating a vortex. i think the idea is that as water flows down a stream it swirls and stretches the hydrogen and oxygen bonds and so like a stretched elastic band has a higher inherent energy. also it takes on oxygen, light energy from the sun and gravitational energy. levitated water not only taste better it has been shown (apparently) to be a powerful curer of many ills. oh yes levitation is also said to erase the "lower" frequency vibrational information water picks up. apparently it has also been shown that filtered water still contains the frequencies or informatin of the impurities that have been removed.

all that said i do believe that you can drink the right amount of water that is of an excellent quality and still be dehydrated. i know people who have diabetes pass alot of water and the reason i believe is that the water doesn't circulate the body very well and literally goes straight in and out. i have pancreatic insufficiency and the 2 times i have recoverd i've gone from 15 times a day to 3-4 on the same amount of water. i've heard it estimated that a large portion of the populus may have subclinical diabetes and so good water though necessary is not enough. i believe in chinese medicine they see the pancreas as being involved with the flow of water around the body via the lymph. therefore a hi gi diet, amongst other factors, could lead to dehydration regardless of water intake because of pancreatic exhaustion and hence an inablity to circulate water.

bit brainfoggy tonight don't know if any of that is relevant, interesting or on topic, best wishes jase...

[Bruce Michael]

Originally Posted by chakraman

as for the best water to drink ; i've tried in line filters, distillation, brita jugs, bottled and collecting from a spring. out of these i suppose that collecting from a "safe" spring and storing in glass for upto a week to 10 days is probably the best water you can drink imo, but of course not always easy or available.

Hi Jase,
The purest is distilled by humidification.

http://www.h-e-a-t.com/powerwat.htm

Sebastian Kniepp after being rejected for priesthood due to tuberculosis cured himself with hydrotherapy techniques he discovered in the Vatican archives.
He lived from 1827-1897.

As a young man, the doctors pronounced him terminally ill with a lung disease. But he wouldn’t accept their prognosis. Sebastian Kneipp wanted to live, and when he found, by chance, a booklet in the Munich library call Cold Water Treatments by Sigmund Hahn, he decided to try it.

The treatments worked. His health stabilized. He got well, well enough that he in turn cured other people. Poor and rich alike flocked to receive the water cure and advice of the not too friendly, but warmhearted healer-priest who never asked for any payment.

All water is Holy.

Greetings,
Br.Bruce

[chakraman]

Originally Posted by Bruce Michael

Hi Jase,
The purest is distilled by humidification.

hi bruce,
its cool to read someone who has a passion for water and also recognises its "holy" quality. on the subject of distillation being the best to drink, i do have to disagree, somewhat reluctantly. firstly, from personal experience, i would say there is a big difference between distilled tapwater and say distilled water from a stream. there are many chemicals in tap water, including chlorine, that evaporate and condense with the water, hence the inclusion of post activated carbon filtration added to these systems. i can say that without this activated carbon addition the water, as you may know, tastes many times more chlorinated than ordinary tap as it is without the alkaline minerals that "neutralise" to some degree the acidity. i believe that the activated carbon does still not remove all the impurities as was tested out by myself when distilling mineral water for comparison. it tasted substantially better. though the amount of impurities is reduced significantly by distilling tapwater there lies an important difference with what remains, 1)there is no longer alkaline minerals to neutralise them and 2) there is a greater ability to penetrate deeper into the bodies tissues and expose the bodies cells to these impurities. of course distilled waters' ability to penetrate deep due to the absence of bulky minerals is why its a great short term detoxer, provided imo this is not from a municapal source. for me the spring seems to be natures way, though distillation copies rain where impurities are absent, i think this would of been, at most, only ever been an occassional supply.

having multiple chemical sensitivity its unfortunately very important for me to avoid all chemical contact but as well as this i can be a measuring stick for what is pure and what is not. after giving up distilled tap water (by chance) i had a significant and even dramatic improvement in my health. of course others may not notice this as much but i still feel that chlorine deep into the tissues even in smaller doses is not preferable.

also testing for impurities in watere can be, i believe, somewhat ambiguous. some figures may relate to the reduction of totally dissolved solids which include non-toxic minerals. as well as this i think i'm right in guessing that that some imputities undergo changes when they come into contact with alkaline minerals i.e. become less harmful (by degree) and that this is not possible with the impurites that remain in distilled tapwater, which become more significant because of this factor. that said, although distilled water from a natural source tastes much better than distilled municipal water i still would not drink it on its own. viktor schauberger calls it a "juvenile" water that has a nascent quality. i am aware of the growing belief of the apparent health benefits of distilled water but have come to the conclusion that they are incorrect imo, though it is still probably better than straight tapwater.

i found this page which is hugely informative on the subject: Viktor Schauberger; the power of water

here's an excerpt:

So, lets take a look at what Viktor Schauberger reckons, when it comes to determining what kind of water is good to drink:

Distilled water - Distilled water is evaporated to steam then condensed as a pure fluid; it appears chemically clean. In this state, water by it's intrinsic nature, will draw to it's self anything it can dissolve in order to fulfill a basic function...that of a carrier of substances. Distilled water will only remain so, as long as it is not given the opportunity to make contact with soluble materials.
Drinking distilled water as a regular routine is dangerous!! It acts as a purgative and will strip trace elements and minerals from your body!! Don't buy too much of this stuff at the shops and don't use a distiller to drink from...you have been warned!

Rain water - With an unpolluted atmosphere, rainwater is the purest naturally occurring water in nature, but unfortunately much of our globe no longer has this occur as acid rain is a direct consequence of our ignorant ways. Like distilled water, rainwater is unsuitable as drinking water and should also be avoided over a long term basis. Rainwater could be seen as a young adolescent that has yet to go through the maturing process the earth provides.

Juvenile water - This water comes from the ground, often from great depths and forced upwards (maybe appearing as a geyser) or pumped to the surface as from a deep bore. It is still lacking it's quota of minerals and is deficient in dissolved carbons. As drinking water goes, it's marginal at best.

Surface water - It has contact with the earth so the opportunity of it to dissolve materials is present. Keep in mind that pollutants with in a particular area are definite minus points. Surface water is also generally exposed to direct sunlight, and when collected into and stored in an open dam, the water's energy value becomes damaged by the influences of the heat and light. Note: drinking water should never be exposed to direct sunlight...!!

Groundwater - Retrieved from the ground, this water is getting pretty good as it generally has a high dissolved mineral content. In it's journey above the impervious sub stratum it may appear as seepage springs in gullies, or as shallow wells.

Spring water - The prime source of vitalizing drinking water. It is ripe in minerals, trace elements and dissolved carbons. It's high state of vitality is seen in it's shimmering energetic bluish color, no other water looks like this. The water rises from the earth with the qualities of levitation, it is very cool and will approach the anomaly point of +4 C. The streams they create are collection points for drinking water, and provided the stream is not contaminated by agriculture and human habitation, it remains very drinkable, well worth the finding...

Viktor invented a machine that could use most any unpolluted water and process it into spring water. With this machine he acquired the name "The Water Wizard" because the water he produced had powerful healing qualities. Viktor was able to achieve the remission of cancer for many people, but he soon came into opposition with the authorities who accused him of charlatanism and being unqualified to practice healing. His machine was confiscated and destroyed...!!!

how much water you need if your taking medication or drinking coffee (shes a a bit of a starchild and fun to watch:
YouTube - Holistic Secrets with Rachel Avalon

on the topic of revitalising water:

All living organisms emit ultra weak light known as biophoton light emission. Dr. David Schweitzer's research of the Original Water Revitalizer shows a dramatic increase in biophoton light emission in revitalized water as well as a profound change in the structure of water. This research documents the amazing abilities of the Original Water Revitalizer to both re-structure and energize water. See the photo documentation below!
Biophoton Light Emission Microscope Pictures of Revitalized Water
(1,200 X magnification)

regular tap water from london, before and after revitalisation using a vortex energiser device.

there was a cool video on youtube that showed how blessing water caused it to form complex and beautiful patterns but alas....

j krishnamurti referring to himself: "water can not know what water is."

best wishes to all, jase...

[Bruce Michael]

Thanks for the insight Jase.
What if you leave the water exposed before distilling? Won't that get rid of the chlorine?


John Wilkes has done a lot of work with his flowforms to energise water.

Search for Hans Jenny Cymatics on Youtube. You'll see the effects of sounds on water.

Dr. Emoto has done a lot of work showing the effects of prayer and thought on water.

Water is the heavenly ego manifest. And, it is the heavenly ego that negotiates and contains all other egos within, that we can come together and mix and mingle as we do in a landscape of differing yet corresponding being. It is because of our combining affiliate with our all-encompassing heavenly ego that we do not simply repel each other out into the reaches of an infinite distance; and because of this egoic binding that influences may harmonise, some amongst may gratify, and the lives of all do obey the greater laws.

-The Brothers



Sensitive Chaos: The Creation of Flowing Forms in Water and Air
Theodor Schwenk- a great book:

Man's relationship to water has changed completely during the last few centuries. Men gradually lost the knowledge and experience of the spiritual nature of water, until at last they came to treat it merely a a substance and a means of transmitting energy. At the beginning of the technical age, a few people in their inspired consciousness were still able to feel that the elements were filled with spiritual beings. People experienced the fluid element to be the universal element, not yet solidified but remaining open to outside influences, the unformed, indeterminate element, ready to receive definite form; they knew it as the "sensitive chaos" (Novalis, Fragmente). This book is intended as a contribution towards this kind of recognition of the nature of fluid elements. It is concerned mainly with water, the representative of all that is liquid in animate and inanimate nature, and also with streaming air. This book is based on scientific observations of water and air but above all on the spiritual science of Rudolf Steiner.

The Mandeans held to the sanctity of water and had an elaborate water ritual. The Mandeans revered John the Baptist over Jesus.

Watery Regards,
Br.Bruce

[path_of_one]

I haven't that much to add about water, except that bottled water is not only problematic in terms of keeping it in plastic, but also it is not good for the environment. Even recycling uses energy, and to drink enough water I used to go through one or two flats of bottled water a week. That's a lot of bottles.

Also, not sure how it is in the rest of the world, but the US recently had reports that found most of the bottled water out there is simply... filtered tap water, that is then bottled. And then after doing some investigation and finding the plastic to be a problem (remember, you don't know if it sat in heat, sunlight, etc. before you bought it) for health, too, I switched to simply filtering my water. I have a filter at home and one at work. It works OK.

Never thought much about it, but I have had natural spring water direct from springs, as well as some wonderful water from streams that were not polluted in back country, and it was great stuff.

I don't think the filters strip out the chlorine sufficiently. It's just a hunch based on knowing how sensitive I am to chlorine (it and a bunch of other chemicals cause my body to become really acidic to the point where I am in a lot of pain). Filtering the water helped but it isn't perfect and I still have to take Tums to combat the acidity (about two a day on average, though I have more Tums-free days since moving out of the smog). I can't tell, though, how much of my health issues with acidity are due to water issues, and how much are due to other environmental pollutants, stress hormones, and stuff in my food. I try to go as organic as possible, because that improved things a lot too.

Before they finally figured out I had various chemical sensitivities (which stress hormones magnify), I was in so much pain at times I went to the ER about three or four times a year to be completely flushed with a saline drip. Once I got it figured out and cut out most non-organics, filtered my water, and avoided air pollution as much as possible, I have occasional pain but haven't needed the ER in about two years! So it did make a big difference for me. I know it wasn't just the placebo effect, either, because I dealt with tons of medications (various antibiotics, pain relievers, etc.) for years and none of them helped. In fact, I later found out it made things worse because it was simply increasing my chemical load. It took me six years to get my insurance to get me to specialists and a lot of personal research, but I'm grateful I eventually got it figured out and at least I know how to reduce the problem.

[chakraman]

hi br.bruce,
i think you may get rid of some of the chlorine, especially what the water can't hold or is overloaded with but certainly not the bulk in my unqualified opinion. first water is a carrier and "hungers" for substances to fill it. also the alkaline minerals being of an opposite charge will also attract. there are also other chemicals. i don't feel it will all evaporate once the water is distilled either; about as much and as fast as the water itself. i even used to brita filter my tap water prior to distillation and it helped but not much.

during the recent floods this summer i had to store bowser water and it still smelt of chlorine (they added more) a week later. i actually did standing baths in mineral water during the crisis and the difference in my skin was loads. i'm now purchasing a whole house filter as i found a good one for under a £100.

i think i have seen a dr.emoto vid on youtube, very good if i remember rightly. sensitve chaos has been on my must read list for a while! i am also interested in steiners bio-dynamic farming and so have come across work on flowforms. it truly is an amazing and divine substance.

hi path of one,
from your talk on acidity and heath issues i can see you've learnt the right way by allowing your body to teach or tell what it likes and does not. it takes a few years but they're valuable lessons. i have problems with acidosis to. one big factor i think is hi gi as all sugars fermenting and even undigested starch create acid by products. all pharmaceutical medications also add to acidosis as well as personal and house cleaning chemicals, as you seem to have found out. i'm guessing by tums you mean antacids is that correct? i'll answer as if thats right and if i'm wrong ignore this ; people who suffer acid indigestion have actually been shown to be very deficient in stomach acid, and so the problems arise from poorly digested food fermenting and producing acids. if you have acidic tissues you are unable to support an acidic stomach as the overal mean acidity would be very high. this is safety measure the body employs to stay as close to homeostasis as possible. the hay diet without fruit with low gi also is, in case you don't know, very good at alkalising the body.

in england if it says "spring" water i think i'm right in saying it can come from bore holes or even taps, however if it says "mineral" then it must come from a protected spring. yes plastic bottles are not ideal, although they are easy to recycle over here, that doesn't make them o.k. we have the malvern spring 20 miles from my house which is said to be one of the best in the country...if its good enough for the queen it'll do me! do taste good. i can't get there atm . other probs with filters is that they can become a hive for bacteria and also it is claimed that the emf frequency or information of the fitered substances remain in the water and affect the body homeopathically. i think you can buy revitalisers quite cheaply now that wrap around the faucet. best wishes jase...

[Bruce Michael]

Hi chakraman,

Thanks for advice re chlorine.


There used to be a colour therapy expert in Avebury- Theo Gimbel of Hygeia Studios.


More on water:In Friedrich Rittelmeyer's "Meditation" he claims the following:

Quote:
"When the man of ancient times spoke of water, he did not think only of bathing or of sailing in a boat. He felt water to be religious. Water's
power of purification was to him divine and worthy of veneration. In baptism still lives a remembrance of how man can dip into a purifying,
revelation-bringing element. All laws and regulations about washing and
purification are connected with this fundamental feeling. Man had above him a higher world which, through the water which it sent down from the heavens, received him again and again into its purifying forces. Instead of bathing, ancient man thought of religious purification, instead of sailing, he
thought of crossing the stream after death or in initiation. The latter, the
crossing of the stream, was the esoteric of ancient religions, the former,
the purification, its exoteric. And so the old religious feeling lived with
water. And when we notice what miserable remains but still remains-of these feelings are alive in men to-day when they rejoice in water because of bathing and sailing, then we can perceive with our eyes what changes there have been.

"Now let us look at the six stone water-pots, which stood there after the
manner of the purifying of the Jews." In this stands the whole of antiquity.
In this stands the old religious existence of men."

I like the way he connects water with heavenly things through the rainfall.
Of course! the ancients saw water falling from heaven and considered it
Divine.

Water still has a drawing power. Folk still feel the need to get into a boat
and use the excuse of fishing. But what are they really doing?- just
sitting, taking it in... most of the time.

Emil Bock says that where the sea meets the shore, there the soul and spirit meet. Jesus of course, did a lot of teaching by the sea. In the past there were great mystery temples by the sea- places like Tintangel too.

You know, if one was to predict it, ice should not float, but if it didn't life of Earth would not be possible. Ice has the peculiar characteristic of expanding rather than contracting, as would be expected. Actually, as water freezes it does contract but at about 4 degrees C it begins to expand. There are other strange things that occur at zero degrees as the following will show.

While Helena Blavatsky was shunned by some in the Theosophical Society, she had little study meetings in London with stalwart fans. These are published as Transactions of the Blavatsky Lodge. Here is an excerpt of relevance to our subject:

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Q. When Tyndall* took a large block of ice and threw a powerful ray upon it and thence on to a screen, there were to be seen the forms of ferns and plants in it. What is the reason for this?
*(Professor John Tyndall b. 1820)

Quote:
A. .......Occultism would explain it by saying either that the ray helped to show the astral shapes which were preparing to form future ferns and plants, or that the ice had preserved the reflection of actual ferns and plants that had been reflected in it. Ice is a great magician, whose occult properties are as little known as those of Ether. .....This is well known to the learned Yogis who dwell on the eternal ice of Bodrinath and the Himalayas.

Quote:
At any rate, ice has certainly the property of retaining images of things impressed on its surface under certain conditions of light, images which it preserves until it is melted. .... in decomposing the ice with heat you deal with the forces and the that were impressed on it, then you find that it throws off these images and the forms appear. It is but one link leading to another link.

-H.PB. Transactions of the Blavatsky Lodge.

These things were also known by Anthroposophists:

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"When Steiner noted that the icy crystals that form in winter on the panes of windows are different on a flower shop from those appearing on the windows of a butcher shop, he suggested to Pfeiffer and to another of his early followers, Lily Kolisko, that they experiment in the lab with the formation of crystals as a means of demonstrating what he called the "formative forces" in nature."
Secrets of the Soil, Tompkins and Bird, 1989



-Br.Bruce