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mee · 08-17-2005, 06:21 PM

while it is true that christians should listen to the teachings of Jesus as layed down in the bible, to build better qualities in our selves ,the kingdom is a real goverment that will do away with all manmade goverments ,the prophecy in daniel chapter 2 about the imense image is about world powers down through time starting with the babylonian world power down to our day and we are now in the time of the feet of the image. and Gods kingdom goverment will smash the image into dust and then Gods kingdom goverment will fill the whole earth . these world powers are also refered to in rev 17;10

And there are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet arrived, but when he does arrive he must remain a short while

The five fallen kings, or world powers, were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. The sixth—the Roman Empire—was still in power in Johns dayBut it also was to fall, and the seventh king would arise from one of Rome’s captured territories. What world power would that be

the Anglo-American powercame into existence as the seventh world power of Bible prophecyso we are now waiting for Gods kingdom to take over . bible prophecy is unfolding before our very eyes .revelation speaks about an eigthth king that comes from the seventh and that is the united nations so its all happening ,it will take over world rulership , even while these human rulers are still in power it will crush them it is in your bibles to

InLove · 08-17-2005, 06:37 PM

I believe in the Kingdom of God, and I believe that Christ now sits at the right hand of God, and that the Kingdom already exists in the hearts of believers. It is a Kingdom where Love rules. There will be physical changes along the way, but it is in the Spirit of Love that the Kingdom is built.

InPeace,
InLove

Abogado del Diablo · 08-17-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

while it is true that christians should listen to the teachings of Jesus as layed down in the bible, to build better qualities in our selves ,the kingdom is a real goverment that will do away with all manmade goverments

Read literally, I don't think the "Kingdom of God" as a government here on Earth is true. The only truth I see in it is it's metaphorical truth as a reference to the experience of the "Kingdom of God" within upon awakening to grace.

Quahom1 · 08-18-2005, 12:06 AM

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Read literally, I don't think the "Kingdom of God" as a government here on Earth is true. The only truth I see in it is it's metaphorical truth as a reference to the experience of the "Kingdom of God" within upon awakening to grace.

That seems to go right along with Jesus stating that the Kingdom of heaven is within "you" (meaning us). I know I read that somewhere, but for the life of me I can't remember where...

But it also corrolates with the Light on the hill, the lamp out from under a basket, and other such metaphors (apparently re-enforcing the same theme, or message). Then there is Christs declaring that He would "rebuild this temple" within three days, after its destruction...

My son told me the other day (while on leave from overseas), that he was the United States of America over there, everytime he went out in uniform, or everytime he was around people that knew he wore one.

And for those who did not know him...they wanted to know who he was. It wasn't bragging, just a simple statement of fact.

Why wouldn't the same be true for one who declared themselves followers of Christ? "I am the kingdom of heaven", everytime I present myself to the world...

Just a thought.

v/r

Q

InLove · 08-18-2005, 12:13 AM

Hi, Peace to All Here--

Yes, why wouldn't someone with the true light shine in any and all situations--

Q, say hello and thank you to your son from me, will ya?

InPeace,
InLove

Quahom1 · 08-18-2005, 12:17 AM

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Hi, Peace to All Here--

Yes, why wouldn't someone with the true light shine in any and all situations--

Q, say hello and thank you to your son from me, will ya?

InPeace,
InLove

LOL...which one in green?

mee · 08-18-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

That seems to go right along with Jesus stating that the Kingdom of heaven is within "you" (meaning us). I know I read that somewhere, but for the life of me I can't remember where...

But it also corrolates with the Light on the hill, the lamp out from under a basket, and other such metaphors (apparently re-enforcing the same theme, or message). Then there is Christs declaring that He would "rebuild this temple" within three days, after its destruction...

My son told me the other day (while on leave from overseas), that he was the United States of America over there, everytime he went out in uniform, or everytime he was around people that knew he wore one.

And for those who did not know him...they wanted to know who he was. It wasn't bragging, just a simple statement of fact.

Why wouldn't the same be true for one who declared themselves followers of Christ? "I am the kingdom of heaven", everytime I present myself to the world...

Just a thought.

v/r

Q

Ithink the bible verse you may be refering to is the one in...Luke 17;21 KJ where it says the kingdom of God is within you but in the margin it says(among you) andthe NE and the JB. also RS says, (in the midst of you.)the NWT Says (in your midst)....notice that ,as shown by verse 20 jesus was speaking to the pharisees,who jesus said were hypocrites,so he could not of meant that the kingdom was in there hearts. but the kingdom as represented by christ was in their midst.and the Emphatic diaglott says Gods royal majesty is among you...so it seems to me that the KJV has not translated this correctly

Kelcie · 08-18-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

Ithink the bible verse you may be refering to is the one in...Luke 17;21 KJ where it says the kingdom of God is within you but in the margin it says(among you) andthe NE and the JB. also RS says, (in the midst of you.)the NWT Says (in your midst)....notice that ,as shown by verse 20 jesus was speaking to the pharisees,who jesus said were hypocrites,so he could not of meant that the kingdom was in there hearts. but the kingdom as represented by christ was in their midst.and the Emphatic diaglott says Gods royal majesty is among you...so it seems to me that the KJV has not translated this correctly

Hi Mee

You are quite right it is Luke 17;21 but if we look at it numbered order from chapter 20 you perhaps may see it in context.

20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

The pharisees are demanding to know when the kingdom of God should come and Jesus told them they cannot observe the kingdom of God. Perhaps he called them hypocrites in another verse?

The next verse goes like this
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

This appears to be saying not here or there but look the kingdom of God is within you! So in essence you cannot observe the kingdom of God on the outside because it is found within in.

I agree with the following statements.

As Abogado del Diablo says "Kingdom of God" within upon awakening to grace.

As Inlove says "There will be physical changes along the way, but it is in the Spirit of Love that the Kingdom is built."

and as Earle says "let there be peace on Earth and let it begin with me."

Given this then perhaps if we first begin with ourselves and if we were to awaken to grace, in the spirit of love, I feel we will indeed find the Kingdom of God within that will bring an eternal peace within. If more knew this perhaps peace on earth may then be found.

Kelcie

Abogado del Diablo · 08-18-2005, 01:54 PM

My favorite version is from the Gospel of Thomas:

113 "His disciples said to him, 'When will the kingdom come?'
[Jesus said,] 'It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it.'"

mee · 08-18-2005, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelcie

Hi Mee

You are quite right it is Luke 17;21 but if we look at it numbered order from chapter 20 you perhaps may see it in context.

20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

The pharisees are demanding to know when the kingdom of God should come and Jesus told them they cannot observe the kingdom of God. Perhaps he called them hypocrites in another verse?

The next verse goes like this
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

This appears to be saying not here or there but look the kingdom of God is within you! So in essence you cannot observe the kingdom of God on the outside because it is found within in.

I agree with the following statements.

As Abogado del Diablo says "Kingdom of God" within upon awakening to grace.

As Inlove says "There will be physical changes along the way, but it is in the Spirit of Love that the Kingdom is built."

and as Earle says "let there be peace on Earth and let it begin with me."

Given this then perhaps if we first begin with ourselves and if we were to awaken to grace, in the spirit of love, I feel we will indeed find the Kingdom of God within that will bring an eternal peace within. If more knew this perhaps peace on earth may then be found.

Kelcie

yes, he did call them hypocrites in another verse ,i was just making the point that the pharasees did not have the kingdom in there hearts, but Jesus was in their midst.and yes the kingdom being invisible in the heavens would not be observed with striking observableness ,its interesting about the margin in the KJV thou ,that would change the true meaning if the translaters put( within you )instead of (among you)Jesus was the representative of the kingdom because he would be the king of the heavenly kingdom

Kelcie · 08-19-2005, 09:14 AM

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yes, he did call them hypocrites in another verse ,i was just making the point that the pharasees did not have the kingdom in there hearts, but Jesus was in their midst.and yes the kingdom being invisible in the heavens would not be observed with striking observableness ,its interesting about the margin in the KJV thou ,that would change the true meaning if the translaters put( within you )instead of (among you)Jesus was the representative of the kingdom because he would be the king of the heavenly kingdom

Hi Mee,

Interesting thing about interpretations, there just happens to be more and more created as each century passes. What is important however, is to listen to your heart. I do agree that Jesus would be the king of the heavenly kingdom.

Kelcie

mee · 08-19-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelcie

Hi Mee,

Interesting thing about interpretations, there just happens to be more and more created as each century passes. What is important however, is to listen to your heart. I do agree that Jesus would be the king of the heavenly kingdom.

Kelcie

i dont know if i would trust my heart thou because the scriptures say
The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it? .....jeremiah 17;9.....lol

Kelcie · 08-19-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

i dont know if i would trust my heart thou because the scriptures say
The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it? .....jeremiah 17;9.....lol

Hi Mee,

I agree, especially if your heart departs from the lord as is stated in Jeremiah 17;5. Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Therefore the heart will indeed becomes more treacherous and desparately wicked when we do not dwell in God.

Kelcie

mee · 08-19-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelcie

Hi Mee,

I agree, especially if your heart departs from the lord as is stated in Jeremiah 17;5. Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Therefore the heart will indeed becomes more treacherous and desparately wicked when we do not dwell in God.

Kelcie

yes very true

Faithfulservant · 08-19-2005, 08:22 PM

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i dont know if i would trust my heart thou because the scriptures say
The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate. Who can know it? .....jeremiah 17;9.....lol

I started off searching for the verse that says that God searches the hearts and wow did I find some gems.. I especially love the Ec 3:11. I did not post them all because I think that less is more in situations like this.

Pr 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, But the Lord weighs the hearts.

Ps 33:15 He fashions their hearts individually; He considers all their works

Pr 24:12 If you say, "Surely we did not know this," Does not He who weighs the hearts consider it? He who keeps your soul, does He not know it? And will He not render to each man according to his deeds?

Ec 3:11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.

Romans 8:27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Ga 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"

Col 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful.