Weapons..

[enlightenment]

Here in the UK, it is illegal to carry a knife in public. Some people are pressing for an automatic custodial sentence for anyone caught carrying a knife in a public place. I can understand that logic, given the number of stabbings there seems to be in major cities here. However, for whatever reason, NONE of the parties seem supportive of a mandatory custodial sentence for anyone caught carrying one (I am not speaking of fisherman, or those with some other real reason to carry one, of course).

Stick a knife into my heart, and the odds are that I will die.

However...

Believe it or not, a pepper spray, at least in the UK, is not only classed as an offensive weapon, but as a FIREARM.

How does that work? To me, a firearm is a gun. All I know is that given the choice (such as it is), I would sooner be in discomfort from a pepper spray for ten mins or so (permanent damage is rare), than be slashed or stabbed with a blade.

I see this as an anamoly in law.

Any thoughts?

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

Here in the UK, it is illegal to carry a knife in public. Some people are pressing for an automatic custodial sentence for anyone caught carrying a knife in a public place. I can understand that logic, given the number of stabbings there seems to be in major cities here. However, for whatever reason, NONE of the parties seem supportive of a mandatory custodial sentence for anyone caught carrying one (I am not speaking of fisherman, or those with some other real reason to carry one, of course).

Stick a knife into my heart, and the odds are that I will die.

However...

Believe it or not, a pepper spray, at least in the UK, is not only classed as an offensive weapon, but as a FIREARM.

How does that work? To me, a firearm is a gun. All I know is that given the choice (such as it is), I would sooner be in discomfort from a pepper spray for ten mins or so (permanent damage is rare), than be slashed or stabbed with a blade.

I see this as an anamoly in law.

Any thoughts?

I believe we must begin with gun control. We must finally trust our superiors in govt to guide and protect us and sacrifice our guns in respect to these govt. officials. We must follow the lead of an expert in this matter when he wrote the following:

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing." - Adolf Hitler

Once we agree on this idea, then we can consider knives and all else. Remember: "All we need is love - la la la la la." Who needs guns when we have "love."

[enlightenment]

Thanks.

As an aside, a pretty lethal weapon can be made out of a newspaper!

Check this out.

Millwall brick - encyclopedia article about Millwall brick.

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

Thanks.

As an aside, a pretty lethal weapon can be made out of a newspaper!

Check this out.

Millwall brick - encyclopedia article about Millwall brick.

Nice link.

Never underestimate man's ingenuity for creating weapons serving the art of mutual destruction. We are about as clever as any other beings in this matter including similar beings within our entire universe. It has been rumored that even Satan himself has turned green with envy that we could invent such things he had not even considered.

[enlightenment]

I would be curious to know if the police could class a tightly folded up newspaper as an offensive weapon, if of course, you had not used it, but were merely carrying it? I would not have thought so, not unless you had modified it further, perhaps by making it harder through encasing it with water and glue, or putting something sharp through it.

*shrugs*

[Dogbrain]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

I would be curious to know if the police could class a tightly folded up newspaper as an offensive weapon, if of course, you had not used it, but were merely carrying it?

How did nunchakus become a weapon? Weapons were banned by the Japanese overlords of Okinawa. Okinawans adapted a grain thresher.

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by Dogbrain

How did nunchakus become a weapon? Weapons were banned by the Japanese overlords of Okinawa. Okinawans adapted a grain thresher.

A paranoid hierarchy will always wish to control what weapons the masses have access to. In days of old, and indeed, in some cultures now, permitting the masses to own weapons would be seen as a danger to their despotic control.

People in the US are very pro gun, not to mention the 'freedom' to legally carry weapons, in public places.

They sort of see it as a 'freedom', in the event that there needed to be an uprising against a malevolent Government. However, in all truth, even with such weapons, there is no chance that the people of the US could stage a successful displacement of a Fascist Governent within their own nation, if it came to that. The military might of the Government these days, well, it would crush any revolt.

In the UK, attitudes are v different.

I think that the majority would not like to see guns being sold as freely as they are in the US.

The people of the US have been raised on this gun culture.

Those of the UK have not.

Long may that continue here, imo.

[Dogbrain]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

In the UK, attitudes are v different.

"V" different? Nice way to put it. Yes, I could certainly see a great deal of "V" difference in the UK.

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by Dogbrain

"V" different? Nice way to put it. Yes, I could certainly see a great deal of "V" difference in the UK.

Bangs computer*

Nope.

You've lost me.

*Shrugs*

[dauer]

V for Vendetta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

Bangs computer*

Wow!! your one comes with delux functions!!

[wil]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

They sort of see it as a 'freedom', in the event that there needed to be an uprising against a malevolent Government. However, in all truth, even with such weapons, there is no chance that the people of the US could stage a successful displacement of a Fascist Governent within their own nation, if it came to that. The military might of the Government these days, well, it would crush any revolt.

I'd question that. While it is true we as a people are owning less fire power and most don't realize that the second amendment is exactly what you say it is for. I believe there still exists a resolve not to be oppressed completely. If marshall law was placed nationwide as the gov't ran completely amok, you'd see an insurgency similar to what went on in Iraq, gorilla warfare, and many of the military and police would switch sides...as they are sworn to defend the US against all enemies foriegn and domestic.

[Tao_Equus]

Can you imagine it happening though Wil? I agree that the sheer volume of weapons in private ownership in the US gives the potential for effective insurgency but is the average American really willing to pay the price? A civil war in the US would be swiftly dealt with by those soldiers loyal to the president in my opinion. And Mr and Mrs average American will only see what's on Fox news. I do not think most Americans have the stomache to rock the boat, and those with the mentality to try are the most dangerous types and those we would least like to see have any position of power. The US will fall, it seems to have begun its descent already, just how far it will go remains to be seen. But It would have to fall a lot further for the people to call time on the corruption in the American system.

tao

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by wil

I'd question that. While it is true we as a people are owning less fire power and most don't realize that the second amendment is exactly what you say it is for. I believe there still exists a resolve not to be oppressed completely. If marshall law was placed nationwide as the gov't ran completely amok, you'd see an insurgency similar to what went on in Iraq, gorilla warfare, and many of the military and police would switch sides...as they are sworn to defend the US against all enemies foriegn and domestic.

Uh-huh.

Don't think that would happen, irrespective of what has been 'sworn'.

A few might switch sides, right enough. Most of the police and military would merely be swallowed up and used as tools of this fictional Government that we are speaking of.

Those that did switch would be easy replaced by sadistic thugs who would get off on wearing a uniform, and ordering people around.

I am sure there would be lots of candidates.

[Dogbrain]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

And Mr and Mrs average American will only see what's on Fox news.

You are remarkably ignorant and bigoted. Fox is only one news outlet in this country, and it does not have a majority share of the market.

Nevertheless, ignorant anti-USA bigots like you will keep spewing your garbage.