What about Hell... - Page 3

Bandit · 07-13-2005, 06:02 AM

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God's Holy nature makes him hate sin.

i dont think anyone here is questioning the wrath of God.

He still loves the sinner clear up to the end.

Quahom1 · 07-13-2005, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Proph 1

...God's Holy nature makes him hate sin.

And man is sin incarnate. Hence our only saving grace is Jesus.

Yep, I can go with that.

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Proph 1 · 07-13-2005, 06:16 AM

Yes, God loves sinners, and thats why he died for them. Yet, his love has an end. We all have our whole lives to listen to the Holy Spirit's tug on our heart telling us to come to Jesus and live. If we reject God's love, God wont force it.

Quahom1 · 07-13-2005, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Proph 1

Yes, God loves sinners, and thats why he died for them. Yet, his love has an end. We all have our whole lives to listen to the Holy Spirit's tug on our heart telling us to come to Jesus and live. If we reject God's love, God wont force it.

AHMEN!

mee · 07-13-2005, 08:28 AM

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Man, that sucks! If there is no eternal punishent, then God is not a good God. How can he be just if there is no justice? You're basically saying that evil men can do whatever they want in this life, because they'll just cease to exist when they die. So go ahead and sin all you want, you'll just die and cease to exist.

Thats just what Satan wants us to think!

there is justice they will not get everlasting life . evil men will do what they like regardless ,but those who recogonize the ransom sacrifice of Jesus christ will have had a change of heart ,their choice.Adam and Eve were warned what would happen if they broke the rules and God did not go against his rules the same way that people have the choice ,life or death their choice. what a merciful God that he is even going to give those in his memory the chance to change after the resurection on the earth.there are many people who have died never even coming to an accurate knowledge of God. looks like there will be a grand education going on when the resurrection starts ,but without satan the devil around to mess things up

mee · 07-13-2005, 08:45 AM

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"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my word will live forever."

God spoke a word and we became living souls. Our bodies can die, but our soul will live forever and forever. Where the soul lives forever however, depends on if we recieve or deny God's provision for Salvation. If we recieve God's salvation gift of Jesus, we will begin to change; that process is called "born again." If we dont recieve it, we'll be judge by the Law, and the law condemns. The soul that is condemned will go apart from God for all eternity in a place called hell. It should be said that NO bad person will ever go there. If being bad was the mandate for a soul going to hell, we would ALL be there. Again, a soul will only go there if they refuse to accept the truth of what Jesus did, and willingly rely on their own understanding and works. These such will go to the place that was created for Satan and his angels. This dimention existing simontanously juxtaposed with Heaven, according to the Bible is a literal place of undescrible pain and agony. We shouldnt be taking it so likely!

yes heaven and earth in the bible , heaven can signify rulership and earth does not always refer to the globe but it can refer to people , example .....the earth was of one language ,that means that the people spoke one languageso it is refering to the people on the earth .the same way that rulership of man will pass away and Gods goverment in the heavens will take over and there will be a new earthly societyof people listening to God for instructions so his word will never pass away

Proph 1 · 07-13-2005, 09:20 AM

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there is justice they will not get everlasting life . evil men will do what they like regardless ,but those who recogonize the ransom sacrifice of Jesus christ will have had a change of heart ,their choice.

Here's an not so extreme senero: A rich slave owner gets bored of his wife, and begins to rape his female slaves. Not only that, just for fun he rapes the young female children of the slaves, in front of them. This makes him feel powerful, as the slaves can do nothing to stop this evil. One day, after doing things like this for many years, this adultrous, slave owning, child molester, suddenly dies. He lived life as evil as he wanted, because it was "fun" to him. Then, according to you, he just ceases to exist? Tell me Mee, where's the justice? I ask you this because there are real cases of this, even TODAY! Do you HONESTLY believe people can be as evil as they want in this life, and not have some sort of punishment? Do you think that by simply earsing them [evil people] from existence, they will feel any sorrow; moreover anything?

The Fact is, whether you chose to believe it or not, the Bible makes it clear that Hell is a literal place. And because of that, God stood in our place, and paid the price for our sins. It is indeed a great insult to say that hell isnt real. Why? Because, you'd have called God a liar.

Bandit · 07-13-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Proph 1

Here's an not so extreme senero: A rich slave owner gets bored of his wife, and begins to rape his female slaves. Not only that, just for fun he rapes the young female children of the slaves, in front of them. This makes him feel powerful, as the slaves can do nothing to stop this evil. One day, after doing things like this for many years, this adultrous, slave owning, child molester, suddenly dies. He lived life as evil as he wanted, because it was "fun" to him. Then, according to you, he just ceases to exist? Tell me Mee, where's the justice? I ask you this because there are real cases of this, even TODAY! Do you HONESTLY believe people can be as evil as they want in this life, and not have some sort of punishment? Do you think that by simply earsing them [evil people] from existence, they will feel any sorrow; moreover anything?

The Fact is, whether you chose to believe it or not, the Bible makes it clear that Hell is a literal place. And because of that, God stood in our place, and paid the price for our sins. It is indeed a great insult to say that hell isnt real. Why? Because, you'd have called God a liar.

so. you have called God a liar by saying He died, because God cannot die. so you said an un truth about God. should you be punished for it?

i have a question for you. you did this b4, then you did it again & now you are doing it again.
why do you only have a one track mind & all you ever talk about is sin & hell?? sin sin sin in every post you make.
& if it is not that, you only want controversy from others. you seem to love the controversial things. why?

so far, i do not see much love & i certainly do not see any joy & peace. all i see is condemnation in your speech. that which keeps people as slaves. why?

you also sound as if you cannot wait to see people be punished as if you are the one who does it. it must make you feel good that people get punished for a billion years? why?

why cannot you accept what others believe instead of only trying to convince them that what you believe is the only way to believe??
& you do it it constantly.

Awaiting_the_fifth · 07-13-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Prof 1

Here's an not so extreme senero: A rich slave owner gets bored of his wife, and begins to rape his female slaves. Not only that, just for fun he rapes the young female children of the slaves, in front of them. This makes him feel powerful, as the slaves can do nothing to stop this evil. One day, after doing things like this for many years, this adultrous, slave owning, child molester, suddenly dies. He lived life as evil as he wanted, because it was "fun" to him. Then, according to you, he just ceases to exist? Tell me Mee, where's the justice? I ask you this because there are real cases of this, even TODAY! Do you HONESTLY believe people can be as evil as they want in this life, and not have some sort of punishment? Do you think that by simply earsing them [evil people] from existence, they will feel any sorrow; moreover anything?

Just because something should be so doesn't mean that it is so. There is certainly evidence here that this man should be punished but no evidence that he will be punished.

Oh and Bandit,

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that explains why Jesus is on the throne of God & not Buddah . with this teaching of Buddhists we see a contradiction. Buddhists must not been real, so i do not listen to people who are not real.

Not trying to preach, but just FYI as a buddhist I would say that the people (all living beings) are the only things that are real. And Jesus may be on God's throne, I will accept that, but I believe a Buddha is infinately greater than any God. Bit off topic, like I said, just FYI.

Bandit · 07-13-2005, 11:54 AM

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Oh and Bandit,
Not trying to preach, but just FYI as a buddhist I would say that the people (all living beings) are the only things that are real. And Jesus may be on God's throne, I will accept that, but I believe a Buddha is infinately greater than any God. Bit off topic, like I said, just FYI.

well i dont know what to say except that sounds a bit like blasphemey to me.
so i guess we can go to the buddah forum & get off topic & tell the buddhists that God is infinatley greater than any Buddhist. because God most certainly is!

but i wont waste your time with that.

Awaiting_the_fifth · 07-13-2005, 11:57 AM

Feel free, I only said this is what I personally believe, isnt that what we do here? exchange beliefs?

And sorry for the double post, the connection at work is a bit rubbish. Could someone with the rights delete one of them please.

Bandit · 07-13-2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Awaiting_the_fifth

Feel free, I only said this is what I personally believe, isnt that what we do here? exchange beliefs?

yes. but i think the buddah views about God are supposed to go in the Buddah forum & not the believers in God forum.
i really dont think they would appreciate or tolerate me posting too much of my views about God very long in the buddah forum.
at least that is how i always understood it here.

mee · 07-13-2005, 12:59 PM

so getting back to the subject of hell, (mankinds common grave)will it not be great when death is no more, and the prospect of dieing will never come up again

He will actually swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces. And the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for Jehovah himself has spoken it."—Isaiah 25:8

"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life ....John 3;16

Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment...John 5;28-29..........that judgement will be based not on their past life ,but based on the things they do from then on

Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing ...........1 corinthians 15;24-25 great no more death

And death and Ha´des(hades being the common grave of mankind) were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire......rev 20;14..........there we go destroyed as if by fire . no more death on the earth only everlasting life

Quahom1 · 07-13-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Awaiting_the_fifth

Feel free, I only said this is what I personally believe, isnt that what we do here? exchange beliefs?

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And Jesus may be on God's throne, I will accept that, but I believe a Buddha is infinately greater than any God.

Hell o Awaiting. Yes, Ideas, not gut punches. Hell, even on this thread about hell, that was a hell of a thing to say. Not very Buddhist like either.

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Proph 1 · 07-13-2005, 06:40 PM

Mee,

You still didnt answer my question. Here, I'll repost what I said last:

Here's an not so extreme senero: A rich slave owner gets bored of his wife, and begins to rape his female slaves. Not only that, just for fun he rapes the young female children of the slaves, in front of them. This makes him feel powerful, as the slaves can do nothing to stop this evil. One day, after doing things like this for many years, this adultrous, slave owning, child molester, suddenly dies. He lived life as evil as he wanted, because it was "fun" to him. Then, according to you, he just ceases to exist? Tell me Mee, where's the justice? I ask you this because there are real cases of this, even TODAY! Do you HONESTLY believe people can be as evil as they want in this life, and not have some sort of punishment? Do you think that by simply earsing them [evil people] from existence, they will feel any sorrow; moreover anything?
Honestly Mee, what does the Bible say?