what about l ray smith

shadowman · 10-17-2006, 06:23 PM

he has a lot of interesting ideas

http://bible-truths.com/

is he far off base?

moseslmpg · 10-17-2006, 07:58 PM

I would say that this will not be received too well here by certain people. I, personally, do not believe he is far off-base too much at all.

shadowman · 10-17-2006, 08:24 PM

i liek what he writes. are there good critiques of him anywhere?

BlaznFattyz · 10-17-2006, 08:50 PM

he is way off.

shadowman · 10-17-2006, 08:56 PM

why?

Dondi · 10-17-2006, 09:04 PM

Some of his ideas sound Calvinistic (i.e. predestination). But the important thing about Hell, whether literal or spiritual, is the idea of separation from God by our own accord.

shadowman · 10-17-2006, 10:00 PM

how is it calvinist?

BlaznFattyz · 10-18-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

why?

because he denies the divinity of christ as being god, there is no point in reading anymore.

Dor · 10-18-2006, 08:07 PM

Way off. Creepy crawls. Holy Spirit hitting me with 2x4 saying run away.

shadowman · 10-19-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

because he denies the divinity of christ as being god, there is no point in reading anymore.

where did he do that?

shadowman · 10-19-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dor

Way off. Creepy crawls. Holy Spirit hitting me with 2x4 saying run away.

why?

what did you read?

holy spirit doesnt like reading much eh?

Dor · 10-19-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

where did he do that?

Of Whom is this ONE God composed? Answer: "the FATHER." NOT, the Father, AND the Son, AND the holy ghost! Just, "the Father!" ONLY, "the Father!!" "ONE God, the FATHER!"
http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html right there for 1 example.

Dor · 10-19-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

why?

what did you read?

holy spirit doesnt like reading much eh?

Actually I have read most everything he has on there.

And actually just doesnt enjoy reading a load of crap.

moseslmpg · 10-19-2006, 09:11 PM

Like I said shadowman, some people will not agree. There's nothing wrong with that or anything, and Ray is still technically Christian. I think the fact that he backs each of his points up with Scripture also helps his credibility. Like I said before, I rejected his stuff at first, but later a lot of it made sense. You just have to remember the 3 stages that truth goes through.

Caimanson · 10-19-2006, 10:13 PM

I've read some of his "hell" series, and he seems to give very reasonable arguments to back his point. His ideas are interesting.

His argument is like this: everybody dies, the difference is that only God's people will be resurrected when the time comes. Those who don't belong to God will never resurrect, they will basically cease to exist for ever. No punishing hellfire though.

If you don't like what he says, well, prove him wrong!