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mee · 02-14-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

Is God sad about sending people to hell and the coming day of judgement?

"Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, . . . but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."—2 PETER 3:9.
(Ezekiel 18:23) "‘Do I take any delight at all in the death of someone wicked,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘[and] not in that he should turn back from his ways and actually keep living?’
(Ezekiel 33:11) Say to them, ‘"As I am alive," is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, "I take delight, not in the death of the wicked one, but in that someone wicked turns back from his way and actually keeps living. Turn back, turn back from YOUR bad ways, for why is it that YOU should die, O house of Israel?"’.........................i dont think the Almighty takes delight in those who will be destroyed . that is why he wants people to repent , then they will not have to be judged as wicked ones. he reads hearts, and what we do know is that only the wicked will be destroyed . noone will suffer in a litral fire that is not a true bible teaching . it will be life or death, and if we are destroyed it will be because we want it that way our choice in the end.

Prober · 02-14-2007, 05:38 PM

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(Ezekiel 18:23) "‘Do I take any delight at all in the death of someone wicked,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘[and] not in that he should turn back from his ways and actually keep living?’
(Ezekiel 33:11) Say to them, ‘"As I am alive," is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, "I take delight, not in the death of the wicked one, but in that someone wicked turns back from his way and actually keeps living. Turn back, turn back from YOUR bad ways, for why is it that YOU should die, O house of Israel?"

Amen. Thanks, Mee

Dondi · 02-14-2007, 05:57 PM

I think mee gave some good verses. God is grieved at the wicked, those that do not repent. But God in His holiness has no choice if one does not repent.

Silas · 02-14-2007, 08:16 PM

Mee did gives some good verses. I agree that God does desire that men turn and live. Yet, I also affairm from scripture that God is both glorfied in His decision of sending people to hell and that he does not cry about it. Note 1 Sam 2:25, for instance:

"If someone sins against a man, God will mediate for him, but if someone sins against the Lord, who can intercede for him?” But they would not listen to the voice of their father, for it was the will of the Lord to put them to death."

Notice Mee, the same Hebrew word is used for all noted scriptures, i.e., 1 Sam 2:25 and Ezk 18:33 and Ezk 33:11. So, Mee, what do we have here? We have one scripture saying that God "desired" to put the sons of Eli to death, and yet does not "delight" in the death of the wicked and that both words "desired" and "delight" are the same Hebrew word (haphez). Is this a contradiction? Of course not. In understanding what the Bible means about "God's will," we must first differentiate between what God desiers and what he actually allows to happen - vis - what theologians call "The Two Wills in God." Throughout the years, it has gone by such names as: "God's sovereign will vs moral will," or "efficient will vs permissive will," or "secret will vs revealed will," or "will of decree vs will of command."

The difference in the two wills is "what God desiers" vs "what God allows to occure" or better stated, "what God commands that we can break" verus "What God decree and we cannot thwart." A good and simply example of the "two wills in God" can be seen in the worst sin ever - the death of Jesus. It is God's will and desire that we do not kill (will of command), yet in the same vein, it was God's will that Jesus be handed over to evil men to have them do whatever they wanted as Acts 2:23 states (will of decree).

Silas · 02-14-2007, 08:22 PM

Oh yeah mee, as for 2Peter 3:9, Peter is talking about the elect saints. Its simply to see that from context alone. No real exegesis is needed to come to that conclussion.

mee · 02-20-2007, 01:18 PM

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Oh yeah mee, as for 2Peter 3:9, Peter is talking about the elect saints. Its simply to see that from context alone. No real exegesis is needed to come to that conclussion.

2 peter 3;10 speaks of Jehovahs day ,
Yet Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.
(Zephaniah 1:14)The great day of Jehovah is near.

Silas · 02-20-2007, 05:33 PM

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2 peter 3;10 speaks of Jehovahs day ,
Yet Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.
(Zephaniah 1:14)The great day of Jehovah is near.

Mee, what does this have to do with any of the things we were discussing?

mee · 02-21-2007, 10:38 AM

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Mee, what does this have to do with any of the things we were discussing?

the coming day of judgement,Jehovahs day is near .
For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night 1 thessalonians 5;2

Silas · 02-22-2007, 12:59 AM

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the coming day of judgement,Jehovahs day is near .
For YOU yourselves know quite well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night 1 thessalonians 5;2

Hi Mee, are you like 80 or something? No disrespect! I just worry if you're really following me and understanding what we're talking about, or if you're just kiddin' around.

InLove · 02-22-2007, 01:52 AM

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Hi Mee, are you like 80 or something? No disrespect!

Hey, Silas. Why don't you stick this note back with the other one I told you to keep for self-reference? How do those words help anything?

(I'm outta here, btw. Just stopped by for purpose stated above.)

InPeace,
InLove

Postmaster · 02-22-2007, 02:44 AM

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Is God sad about sending people to hell and the coming day of judgement?

I think it's sad when people turn from God. I think that it takes more effort to turn from God then it does to follow him.

Silas · 02-22-2007, 03:35 AM

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I think it's sad when people turn from God. I think that it takes more effort to turn from God then it does to follow him.

So true! Where's the thumbs up icon?

mee · 02-22-2007, 09:04 AM

The bible points to a "day of Jehovah" that will be of far greater significance than the day of judgment upon ancient Jerusalem and Judah. The apostle Paul, associated the coming "day of Jehovah" with the presence of the enthroned King Jesus Christ. (2 Thessalonians 2:1, 2) Peter spoke of that day in connection with the establishment of ‘new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness is to dwell.’ (2 Peter 3:10-13) It is the day when Jehovah will execute his judgment upon the entire wicked system of things, including false religion.................. but even though that day is near , he wants people to be on his side , but in the end for the sake of his chosen ones he will have to act.
Jehovah will sanctify his illustrious name by destroying all opposers. (Psalm 83:17, 18) that is what i think , because that is what the bible tells me.

Francis king · 02-23-2007, 02:18 PM

god likes to punish sinners... its all there, in the bible...

Prober · 02-23-2007, 02:31 PM

IMO G-d rewards everyone according to their works.