what God really wants?

[flowperson]

G-d is beauty. Nature is beauty. Maybe we're all ending up to be what some call pagans, but is that a bad thing ?

I don't think so, not as long as we have a collective consciousness and the abilities to think about and choose what suits our individual circumstances.

Blessings to you Ruby Sera and welcome to CR !

PS. I was a liberal Christian all of my life and still was drummed out of the corps for thinking differently and having the impetus to write about it; and then, horror of horrors, to try and enlist others in that belief. Negative reactions always indicate to me that I must be doing something right. You continue on your quest and do not look back.

flow....

[Thaika]

The answer is here: What You(we) really want?
I want to be superior, I want to possess wealth, I want leadership, I want to have power!..so on Finally we think Only I am qualified for all.

But what are the qualities you(we) had in the past?
We born without our consent! When we born we donno how to suck the breast of mum (worst than five sense animal, which could do it on their own)!! We know nothing except crying )making big confusion to mom whther you need food,change clothes or something bit)!!!

If we say now we grown up? Yes We grown up without our consent!And we sleep helplessly without our consent too!And we die withour consent too!!And We agree we are impotent to win the death! Who make us to breathe! Who makes the rain to pour from sky! who make the day and night roll over! We or HE?

This is the very basic things we have to know. Yet But we say I am that! I am this! But We are nothing!

So carefully studying us tells us all impurities and inability with in us! All Prophets came for this purpose! To clean ourself from impurities like pride,arrogance,jealous, etc And to know the reality of human divine nature! Who has given heed to their words they are victorious!

Real victory is knowing your reality! The utmost humilty and inability of our human nature and the divine gift.........

and Saying, There is No power and strength for me except What You gave me.... in the secret room of your heart! This is what God really wants.....

God knows best

[cavalier]

I'm probably not going to explain myself very well because are just thoughts Ive had, but have never developed or studied. I hope you'll try to bear with me.

Originally Posted by Thaika

But We are nothing!

Knowing that is extremely liberating, but I don't think that's the end of the story. I've felt for a long time that it's almost like there are two realities, two truths, in one I am insignificant, a tiny speck, but in another I am the centre of the universe, I am the most important thing out there.
Not that I think I should be important for you, for you, you would be the most important thing.

Is this part of some belief system or philosophy, or am I simply insane?

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by cavalier

I'm probably not going to explain myself very well because are just thoughts Ive had, but have never developed or studied. I hope you'll try to bear with me.



Knowing that is extremely liberating, but I don't think that's the end of the story. I've felt for a long time that it's almost like there are two realities, two truths, in one I am insignificant, a tiny speck, but in another I am the centre of the universe, I am the most important thing out there.
Not that I think I should be important for you, for you, you would be the most important thing.

Is this part of some belief system or philosophy, or am I simply insane?

IMHO, this dicotomy relates to what we don't know, and what we know. Does that make any sense to you, cavalier?

[cavalier]

possibly, but perhaps you could explain

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by cavalier

possibly, but perhaps you could explain

It has many different facets. I'll highlight one: the importance of knowing yourself, along with the importance of acknowledging all the things you don't know.

[cavalier]

That's not a great deal more than you wrote last time. I do apologize but I'm not really getting what you're driving at. I wonder if you could explain a little more thoroughly.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by cavalier

That's not a great deal more than you wrote last time. I do apologize but I'm not really getting what you're driving at. I wonder if you could explain a little more thoroughly.

Well, it's your paradigm. {Know thyself}

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by dayaa

hello everyone
i find it rather confusing that there are so many different religions. in view of the fact that there seem to be quite clearly good, bad and every degree in between amongst all religious groups of people (as well as non-religious people) there seems to be no clear indicator that there is one right religion. pretty much every religion has the same basics in some shape or form....yet they also differ quite considerably in details. most people take their religion from birth/marriage/circumstance rather than by conscientious choice, and i can't imagine that God will judge millions of decent people for being in the "wrong" religion when to be honest, it all seems as clear as mud! so where does that leave us? i wonder if God gave all of us the instinct to be aware of him and minds to think and maybe that's what we are supposed to do? so what is the relationship between God and religion? are all religions man-made using the tools God gave us? are we free to chose to "go it alone" with our own thoughts or to follow any religion which makes most sense to us whilst still retaining the right to free thought....the right to disagree with certain concepts within the religion of our choice? i would appreciate comments from members of all religions as to how they view other beliefs and how they understand plurality in religion. thankyou.

God hates religion. He said so (at least in scriptures). He never started one in the beginning (we did). In fact, the only religion that God cares for is one we did stumble on, but never quite perfected. Take care of the orphans and widows (religiously).

God made it clear what He wants from man, and did so at the very beginning...

"And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him." Gen. 5:24

Enoch walked with God for 300 years after the birth of Methuselah (great grand father of Noah). God did not force Enoch, Enoch chose to walk with God, and God did not let Enoch experience death, because of his choice and steadfastness. God simply took Enoch home.

Was Enoch perfect? Not by a long shot. But he never quit putting God first and foremost in his life. (The spirit willing, but the body weak, yet the will, incorruptable).

Can you imagine walking with God for 24 hours, let alone 300 years? Enoch's will and dedication to God, must be compared to Solomon's wisdom. Unprecidented in human history! Thinking of the Garden of Geshtemini, how dis-appointed Christ must have been, that his disciples couldn't stay awake for even an hour, while He prayed and sweat blood over what He was about to undertake...or the wrestling match between God and Jacob all night, despite a dislocated hip, and Jacob refused to give in. Nope, he held onto God with all his might and being.

That is what God wants of man, to hold onto Him with everything we've got, and then some. I don't think it has to be for any specific length of time (as scripture shows us), but it has to be totally and unconditionally.

Lean not on thine own understanding, but on every word that comes from the Lord...(that is starting to make powerful sense to me).

my thoughts

v/r

Q

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by dayaa

hello everyone
i find it rather confusing that there are so many different religions. in view of the fact that there seem to be quite clearly good, bad and every degree in between amongst all religious groups of people (as well as non-religious people) there seems to be no clear indicator that there is one right religion. pretty much every religion has the same basics in some shape or form....yet they also differ quite considerably in details. most people take their religion from birth/marriage/circumstance rather than by conscientious choice, and i can't imagine that God will judge millions of decent people for being in the "wrong" religion when to be honest, it all seems as clear as mud! so where does that leave us? i wonder if God gave all of us the instinct to be aware of him and minds to think and maybe that's what we are supposed to do? so what is the relationship between God and religion? are all religions man-made using the tools God gave us? are we free to chose to "go it alone" with our own thoughts or to follow any religion which makes most sense to us whilst still retaining the right to free thought....the right to disagree with certain concepts within the religion of our choice? i would appreciate comments from members of all religions as to how they view other beliefs and how they understand plurality in religion. thankyou.

Originally Posted by James 1:19-27

19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; 20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
26 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

[cavalier]

Hey flow.
Something you wrote interested me, I guess in this post I might be taking it a bit/a lot more literally than you ever intended. I hope you'll excuse that. I realise that you may not agree with what I'm arguing against.

Originally Posted by flowperson

... as long as we have ... the abilities to think about and choose what suits our individual circumstances.

Is this what it's all about? Choosing what suits us best? Quahom illustrated the story of Enoch, a man who God loved because he

Originally Posted by Quahom1

never quit putting God first and foremost in his life.

It's not just Enoch, what about Jonah who God punished because he took his own path.

If we simply think about what suits us best, we put ourselves, but that is a position which should be reserved for God.

An example:
A few years ago I spent a year in Kenya working with the Anglican Church. On comming back to England I met with other missionaries from the same organization. Many of them said that they felt spiritually dry because in their mission church they had gone a year without a "praise and worship session". I thought to myself, "Does God really care about a praise and worship session, or does God simply care that we praise, and that we worship."Those people felt spiritually dry because they weren't able to worship in their favored way. They stopped putting God first and made their own needs and comforts more important.

[seattlegal]

Cavalier, from your above post, I think it demonstrates that you understand the paradigm you asked about here...

Originally Posted by cavalier

Knowing that is extremely liberating, but I don't think that's the end of the story. I've felt for a long time that it's almost like there are two realities, two truths, in one I am insignificant, a tiny speck, but in another I am the centre of the universe, I am the most important thing out there.
Not that I think I should be important for you, for you, you would be the most important thing.

Is this part of some belief system or philosophy, or am I simply insane?

...far better than I could possibily explain it to you. You are not insane, IMHO.

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

You are not insane,

All those years of worry.
Do you realise you're the only person who's ever said that to me?

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by cavalier

All those years of worry.
Do you realise you're the only person who's ever said that to me?

Do you mean you've been asking people for years if your views are insane, and I'm the only one who has said that they are not insane? {Gee that is scary!}

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Do you mean you've been asking people for years if your views are insane, and I'm the only one who has said that they are not insane? {Gee that is scary!}

No, nothing like that. I was making a joke. I haven't actually been worrying that I'm insane.
I guess dry English Humor isn't suited to internet forums.