What Happened To Boldness? - Page 7

Quahom1 · 09-12-2006, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wil

Q, I agree, but some groups have different marching orders...and without one sanctioned to do the proper rituals...it isn't a service.

Now that sounds an awful lot like covetness...which is so wrong. However, one could "invite" a minister to come camp with and help guide the young ones...(If I were that minister, I'd jump at the chance)

Blue Jay · 09-12-2006, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Now that sounds an awful lot like covetness...which is so wrong. However, one could "invite" a minister to come camp with and help guide the young ones...(If I were that minister, I'd jump at the chance)

What if the minister were from a church with a "false doctrine" or "wrong beliefs" as defined by a child's parents? That's a HUGE issue in some churches.

BJ

Quahom1 · 09-12-2006, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Jay

What if the minister were from a church with a "false doctrine" or "wrong beliefs" as defined by a child's parents? That's a HUGE issue in some churches.

BJ

That's why we have non denominational "chaplains"...

seattlegal · 09-12-2006, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Jay

What if the minister were from a church with a "false doctrine" or "wrong beliefs" as defined by a child's parents? That's a HUGE issue in some churches.

BJ

Well, isn't learning how to survive out in the "wilderness," away from "civilization" {including the "civilized" religious bureaucratic establishments} one of the purposes of the Scouts?

Blue Jay · 09-12-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by seattlegal

Well, isn't learning how to survive out in the "wilderness," away from "civilization" {including the "civilized" religious bureaucratic establishments} one of the purposes of the Scouts?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. My post was part of the conversation started by Wil in Post 88 about kids having to go home for the Sunday services.

wil · 09-12-2006, 05:03 PM

Sorry to derail it all....

Nondenominational Ministers are not accepted by all denominations. Some require their folks to administer their programs. Yes scouts is interfaith, all that believe in G-d take part in the programs. The issue in our case is respect for others religous beliefs which means that adjustments need to be made to accomadate...there is a lesson in that.

There is also something missed by not having service in the woods, by not hanging out longer after a day of advancement work and service projects to just relax and enjoy after the service.

It doesn't always work the way we'd like it.

seattlegal · 09-12-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Jay

I'm not sure what you're getting at. My post was part of the conversation started by Wil in Post 88 about kids having to go home for the Sunday services.

My point is that these children are not being prepared spirituallyfor the circumstance {should it arise} of being trapped in the wilderness and not being able to return for a specialized religious service. They are being taught the rest of the survival skills for surviving in the wilderness except for how to cope with being isolated from their religious group. That aspect is now being ignored by many, and is out of step with the Scout Motto: Be Prepared. Just my thoughts.

Blue Jay · 09-12-2006, 08:05 PM

I get your point now, seattlegal, and it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for raising it.

BJ