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Old 04-09-2011, 11:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What is Alawite Islam (in Syria)?

I have heard of Shia Islam, Sunni Islam, Wahabi Islam, and now Alawite Islam (the last being the ruling class of Syria.

What is Alawite and could someone briefly tell me how it differs from the other forms of Islam?

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Old 04-10-2011, 04:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: What is Alawite Islam (in Syria)?

Salam Amergin

From what I can find the Alawi sect are a splinter group of Shia Islam. They consider themselves Muslim but many Sunni scholars do not because of the religious practices (some going as far as to say they are worse than unbelievers).

They are a very secretive group when it comes to their religious beliefs and practices but some known issues make them stand out from mainstream Muslims:

1. They believe in divine incarnation, believing "I testify that there is no God but Ali." As Christians believe Jesus (pbuh) was the divine incarnation of God, so Alawites believe Ali was the divine incarnation and he created Prophet Mohamed (pbut) from his own light.

2. They celebrate Christmas and Easter, using bread and wine in their ceremonies. Their religious practices include some from a number of religions.

3. They do not believe the Quran is the Word of God to be read and strictly followed.

4. They follow 7 pillars of Islam rather than the 5 pillars Sunni's follow (they include jihad and defending Ali as pillars).

5. They consider the pillars as symbolic rather than obligations, so they don't pray regularly or fast, etc.

6. They believe in reincarnation.

It is not for me to say if they are or are not Muslims, what is important is they consider themselves Muslim.

I understand the Syrian leader converted to Sunni Islam but everyone accepts this was symbolic/political rather than faith based.

Islamic critic, Wafa Sultan, was/is Alawi ... which is why I get so angry with her statements about Islamic belief, as it would be like me denouncing Shia Muslim beliefs without any knowledge of what they really are.

The French actually put the Alawi community in positions of authority in Syria, in a bid to weaken mainstreams Muslim control. A past uprising in Syria of Sunni Muslims led to the Alawi ruling sect killing around 10,000 Sunni's and I think there would be a lot of trouble for Alawites if the ruling party loses the leadership in Syria.
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4. They follow 7 pillars of Islam rather than the 5 pillars Sunni's follow (they include jihad and defending Ali as pillars).
I thought there were four: the five daily prayers; tithing to charity; fasting during Ramadan; and making the pilgrimage when able. What am I omitting?
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Salam Amergin

From what I can find the Alawi sect are a splinter group of Shia Islam. They consider themselves Muslim but many Sunni scholars do not because of the religious practices (some going as far as to say they are worse than unbelievers).

They are a very secretive group when it comes to their religious beliefs and practices but some known issues make them stand out from mainstream Muslims:

1. They believe in divine incarnation, believing "I testify that there is no God but Ali." As Christians believe Jesus (pbuh) was the divine incarnation of God, so Alawites believe Ali was the divine incarnation and he created Prophet Mohamed (pbut) from his own light.

2. They celebrate Christmas and Easter, using bread and wine in their ceremonies. Their religious practices include some from a number of religions.

3. They do not believe the Quran is the Word of God to be read and strictly followed.

4. They follow 7 pillars of Islam rather than the 5 pillars Sunni's follow (they include jihad and defending Ali as pillars).

5. They consider the pillars as symbolic rather than obligations, so they don't pray regularly or fast, etc.

6. They believe in reincarnation.

It is not for me to say if they are or are not Muslims, what is important is they consider themselves Muslim.

I understand the Syrian leader converted to Sunni Islam but everyone accepts this was symbolic/political rather than faith based.

Islamic critic, Wafa Sultan, was/is Alawi ... which is why I get so angry with her statements about Islamic belief, as it would be like me denouncing Shia Muslim beliefs without any knowledge of what they really are.

The French actually put the Alawi community in positions of authority in Syria, in a bid to weaken mainstreams Muslim control. A past uprising in Syria of Sunni Muslims led to the Alawi ruling sect killing around 10,000 Sunni's and I think there would be a lot of trouble for Alawites if the ruling party loses the leadership in Syria.
Thank you very much for that excellent and concise discussion. I hope if you do not mind: I would like to save it to my files.

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I thought there were four: the five daily prayers; tithing to charity; fasting during Ramadan; and making the pilgrimage when able. What am I omitting?
Shahadah - profession of faith in the belief of God and Mohamed as his Messenger.

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Thank you very much for that excellent and concise discussion. I hope if you do not mind: I would like to save it to my files.

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Old 04-16-2011, 06:46 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: What is Alawite Islam (in Syria)?

Muslimwoman,

your explination about the alawite group is completely wrrong.
I dont think you know anything about other muslim groups.

your wahhabi mind makes you believe that other non-sunni groups worship Ali.
it is sad that such mentality still exists in the 21th century.

I suggest you delete the craps you wrote about other muslims. shame on you.
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Shahadah - profession of faith in the belief of God and Mohamed as his Messenger.
Duh! I should have known that.
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your wahhabi mind makes you believe that other non-sunni groups worship Ali.
She is very far from being "wahhabi". If she is not correctly informed about Alawite beliefs, you might offer your own explanation instead of just abuse.
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Re: What is Alawite Islam (in Syria)?

The alawite is a muslim group that believes in the one and only God (like all other muslims) and they believe in Muhammad as the prophet of God.

They dont worship Ali or believe he is a prophet instead of Muhammad.

They follow what the prophet tells muslims about Ali and thats what boils the wahhabis blood and the wahhabis think they are worse than unbelievers and must be killed.

The prophet says "Whoever wishes to see Adam in his knowledge, Noah in his piety, Abraham in his forbearance, Moses in his strength, and Jesus in his worship and devotion should look at Ali ibn Abi Talib."

also he says "He is the first one to believe in Islam; He is the most knowledgeable; He is the most correct one in his DEEN; He is the most certain; He is the most patient; He is the most forgiving and generous; He is the bravest in heart; He is the IMAM and the successor after me."

Muhammad defends Ali and the alwaites are doing the same.

the wahhabis hate Ali thats why they keep degrading his followers, slaughtering them like sheep and bombing the shrines of the Prophet's grandsons.

all muslim groups have slight differences from each other but the main belief is the SAME.
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Re: What is Alawite Islam (in Syria)?

Shia Sunni Unity, Shia Sunni differences, Ali ibn Abu Talib, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), Holy Qur'an, Ayesha, Misconception, Temporary marriages, Mutah

I suggest visiting the website and reading an article written by a moderate Muslim who does not differentiate between Sunnis and Shia.

I would like you to read what the writer says about misconceptions about the shia

  • Misconception #1: Shias have a different Holy Qur'an. They add another 10 chapters to the original Holy Qur'an.
Response: Not true. I have checked many times Holy Qur'an kept in Shia homes and mosques. I still find it the same as the original Holy Qur'an. More recently, I took care of an Iranian lady patient hospitalized here. I saw a copy of the Holy Qur'an by her side. I borrowed it from her and browsed through cover-to-cover. In Arabic it was the same as our Holy Qur'an. Of course, since I did not know the Persian language, I can't say much about the translation. It is a sin to even say that the Holy Qur'an can be changed or added to by Shia when Almighty God protects it.
  • Misconception #2: Some Shia considers Ali ibn Abu Talib as God.
Response: Not true. It is disbelief to even think of such a thing. During the time of Ali ibn Abu Talib, some pagan groups called Gholat did consider Ali ibn Abu Talib as Lord. When he found out, they were burned to death.
  • Misconception #3: Shias have different declarations of faith and they add to the call to prescribed prayer.
Response: The declaration to become a Muslim, as administered to non-Muslims, is the same. Some Shia add to themselves, "Ali ibn Abu Talib is a friend of God or Ali ibn Abu Talib is a spiritual leader of God," after the call to prescribed prayer, but not as part of the call to prescribed prayer.
  • Misconception #4: Shias do not perform Sunnah prayers. Sunnah prayers are non-obligatory prayers performed by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Response: Shias do perform non-obligatory prayers, 36 cycles per day in total, but call it Nawafil and not Sunnah.
  • Misconception #5: Some Shia believes the Angel Gabriel made a mistake and prophet hood was meant for Ali ibn Abu Talib and not Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Response: Not true. No Shia thinks of such false claims. "Only demented minds think of such questions."
  • Misconception #6: Shias slander and ridicule the first three caliphs (Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman) and Prophet Muhammad's wife, Ayesha.
Response: Shia considers the first three caliphs as companions and administrators, but not spiritual leaders (Imams). Imam Jafar as Sadiq (peace be upon him), whose mother and grandmother came from the line of Abu Bakr, said of Abu Bakr, "He gave me birth twice." Ayesha is respected by Shias as the "Mother of Believers," as Ali ibn Abu Talib respected her when he sent her back from Basra to Madinah after the Battle of the Camel. If some Shia do slander the three caliphs and Ayesha, they do it out of ignorance and should ask God's forgiveness. (As we have witnessed how Imam Khomeini, The Shia bravely declared death of Salman Rushdie - The author of Satanic Verses who abused the wife of Prophet Ayesha and Shia Leader declared blasphemy, just for his Fatwa the whole western countries became against Iran. See how much price did Shia pay to defend Ayesha - while Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE etc. etc. as the Sunni government were silent they did not defend Ayesha. Now who loves Ayesha?)
  • Misconception # 7: Shias combine all five prayers into one prayer in the evening.
Response: Not true. In Shia mosques, whether in Iran or the USA, all five daily prayers are performed. Shia do combine noon and afternoon and evening and night, but Shia scholars recommend performing them separately. Such combinations may not be ideal, but better than not praying at all. How can a Sunni who does not pray at all be better than a Shia who combines prayers?
  • Misconception # 8: Shias do not pay zakat (poor-due).
Response: Not true. They not only pay 2.5% left over from savings as zakat, but also an additional 20% as Khums or general charity. However, they prefer to pay directly to the needy rather than corrupt Sunni government.
  • Misconception #9: Shias practice temporary marriages (Mutah).
Response: Temporary marriages (Mutah) was allowed during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and he himself practiced it. Ibn Zubayr was born out of the temporary marriage. Later on Caliph Umar prohibited it due to social reasons as the Islamic world was rapidly expanding. Shias discourage Mutah but do not consider it prohibited. Some do abuse this. As a temporary privilege during travel, it is better than adultery.
  • Misconception #10: They consider Imams infallible and above the Prophets.
Response: Not true. All prophets are born Prophet but as mentioned in the Holy Qur'an about Abraham that after passing the test, a prophet becomes a leader (Imam). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is the Prophet (Nabi), Messenger (Rasul) and leader (Imam). Imams are carriers of the message of Islam. Shias consider Ali ibn Abu Talib only as an Imam and not prophet.
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Re: What is Alawite Islam (in Syria)?

The discussion here is not about Shi'ites in general, but about the particular sect in Syria called the Alawites, whose beliefs are quite different from mainstream Shi'a although it is hard to get good information about what those beliefs are, because they are very secretive.
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Re: What is Alawite Islam (in Syria)?

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your wahhabi mind makes you believe that other non-sunni groups worship Ali.
Me a wahhabi LOL, that is really very funny.

I have always considered Shia to be Muslim and have always said I know nothing of their beliefs so cannot speak for them. As Bobx kindly pointed out, we are not discussing Shia beliefs., we are discussing Alawi beliefs.

The information on the Alawi is very limited and most of it comes from an Alawi who converted to Christianity (we know what converts tend to do) but I posted what information I could find and did so without judging them.

However ...

"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance." (Qur'an 16:125)

If the information about the Alawi sect is incorrect then would it not be better to come and say ... sister that information is not correct, and then explain what Alawi's believe/d, instead of hurling abuse and swear words at me?
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Re: What is Alawite Islam (in Syria)?

before you post any information about non-sunni groups, make sure it is correct first before you spread it
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Re: What is Alawite Islam (in Syria)?

I checked it with as many sources as I could find.

So either explain what you believe is the correct information or wind your neck in.
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Re: What is Alawite Islam (in Syria)?

I suggest you study more about Islam and use your mind before believing everything you read and hear.

you say many sunni scholars dont consider the alwaites Muslims.
well, a respected scholar who really cares about Muslims unity does NOT say "I dont consider you a muslim" or accuse other muslims of worshiping Ali instead of God.

Choose the right sources if you really want to learn about other Muslims.
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Re: What is Alawite Islam (in Syria)?

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Muslimwoman,

If you can read arabic, visit the link above. it is a website made by the alawites themselves explaining their beliefs and religious practices. read what they say before you spread misconceptions about them.

I searched the whole website looking for "there is no God but Ali" and i could not find it.

Allah says in the Holy Quran (O YOU who have attained to faith! If any iniquitous person comes to you with a [slanderous] tale, use your discernment, lest you hurt people unwittingly and afterwards be filled with remorse for what you have done)

make sure what you hear about other non-sunnis is correct before you spread it and damage their image
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