What is America thinking?

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Thanks

He appologised... And said he won't do it again... He has gone off now to suck some toffee's and play with his squeaky toy.

Heh. Yes, we have a little stressball "smoosh Bush" here in our house. It was a bit scary to invite him in (actually the CIA delivered him to my fiance for Christmas), but we layed down some ground rules, tried to do some pagan voodoo rituals with him to help him learn to respect life. They didn't really work, so now he spends his time on a bookshelf, his nose in a corner until he learns to play nice. He's been standing like that for a while.

(if I can find my camera I will upload a pic)

[Muslimwoman]

I have just read this article about the situation on one of the sites I like to read, I was astonished at Iran's reaction if it has been reported correctly:

U.S. Pledges Billions in Arms, Aid to Middle East: Free Muslims Coalition

$13 billion to Egypt in weaponary and the US is witholding $200 million in aid to Egypt until it sorts out its human rights abuses. Does anyone else find this just a tad sickening?

By the way, I am not America bashing, just US government policy bashing.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

By the way, I am not America bashing, just US government policy bashing.

You gotta read all the way to the end to get the whole story...it concludes with...

United States will convene a meeting of major players in the Middle East to try to jumpstart the peace process

and in this corner weighing in at .....

[Muslimwoman]

Yeah I read that Wil but thought it was cancelled out by arming the entire region to the high teeth. Maybe I am just getting too cynical?

[Faithfulservant]

Wonder what catastrophe will happen as the result of this. Interesting.. everytime they start putting pressure on Israel to divide for this roadmap peace process something happens...


Amazon.com: Eye to Eye: Facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel: Books: William R. Koenig


An "eye" opener for sure.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Wonder what catastrophe will happen as the result of this. Interesting.. everytime they start putting pressure on Israel to divide for this roadmap peace process something happens...


Amazon.com: Eye to Eye: Facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel: Books: William R. Koenig


An "eye" opener for sure.

Have you read it?

After reading the reader reviews I think I'll give it a miss. The other reviewers were all bible thumpers except one. One (his friend I presume) openly admitted they had not read it and based their glowing report on the books subtitle. The exception posted the following:


The author apparently never studied logic or theology. If he studied logic, he would know what a post hoc fallacy is. He makes many of them. With the logic the author employs he can say that the Titanic was sunk because the people on board were evil. Then pull something else out of the air and attach divine intervention to it. This guy no doubt believes all that he wrote. What is frightening is that he may convince others that he is right. If anyone such as I differ, he will merely dismiss me as being evil, unsaved, demoniacally possessed, ...take your choice

Tao

[Tao_Equus]

MW, the above is what is wrong with America. Too many apocalyptic Christians giving support to corrupt narcissistic warlords like Bush.

Tao

[China Cat Sunflower]

We've destabilized Iraq and installed a pro-Iranian Shiite dominated government. Now we're counting on that to force the moderate Sunni states to coalesce around their shared fear of a nuclear Iran dominated Iraqi client state. As incentive we will arm them with the latest weaponry while we leverage our interest in Israeli security thus creating a Sunni bloc with an incentive toward marginalizing Iran and a disincentive toward attacking Israel. We'll exploit the wedge between Sunni's and Shia to assure our own interest and continued presence in the region.

Chris

[flowperson]

Hi Chris...Excellent analysis, but IMHO, in the end it all boils down to the US and Britain controlling the oil spigots in the region.

flow....

[China Cat Sunflower]

I agree Flowy, but it isn't ALL about oil. I'm sitting here looking at a large wall map of the world and thinking back over the conflicts of the last hundred years or so. Thinking about why we got involved in Vietnam. Thinking about our influence over Japan and our involvement in the Korean peninsula. Thinking about the nuclear cooperation agreement we're concluding with India and our historical alliance with Pakistan. Thinking about Turkey's bid to join the EU. My eye keeps coming back to China.

Chris

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Have you read it?

After reading the reader reviews I think I'll give it a miss. The other reviewers were all bible thumpers except one. One (his friend I presume) openly admitted they had not read it and based their glowing report on the books subtitle. The exception posted the following:


The author apparently never studied logic or theology. If he studied logic, he would know what a post hoc fallacy is. He makes many of them. With the logic the author employs he can say that the Titanic was sunk because the people on board were evil. Then pull something else out of the air and attach divine intervention to it. This guy no doubt believes all that he wrote. What is frightening is that he may convince others that he is right. If anyone such as I differ, he will merely dismiss me as being evil, unsaved, demoniacally possessed, ...take your choice

Tao

The guy is a white house correspondant... You think because hes an evangelical Christian that he might not have something important to share or provide some view previously not taken? Tao you are really a piece of work. The facts in his book were enough to quell President Bush from making any decisions in 2006...

I could care less if you read the book your opinion means squat to me and many others. There ARE christians and open minded people that just might be interested in this book.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Pathless

Heh. Yes, we have a little stressball "smoosh Bush" here in our house. It was a bit scary to invite him in (actually the CIA delivered him to my fiance for Christmas), but we layed down some ground rules, tried to do some pagan voodoo rituals with him to help him learn to respect life. They didn't really work, so now he spends his time on a bookshelf, his nose in a corner until he learns to play nice. He's been standing like that for a while.

(if I can find my camera I will upload a pic)

hahaha sweet.... That would be cool to see.... Pathless, do you happen to post on a film forum? As I know someone with the same avatar...

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

The guy is a white house correspondant..

Ahhhhhhh there we have it.

I could care less if you read the book your opinion means squat to me and many others. There ARE christians and open minded people that just might be interested in this book.

We have already established that my opinions mean squat to you. Just as we have established you believe you will be given the divine sanction to Judge me. Just as Bush believes he has the right to send 1000s of your countrymen and 100s of 1000s of others to their deaths to protect the financial interests of him and a few of his friends.

In this thread we are asked to explain and examine the reason and rational behind flooding the middle east with weapons. You want to introduce the bs of a White House stooge promoting Armageddon prophesy as a good reason. Well to my mind this kind of crass ideology is dangerous. Would you push the nuclear button just to be right?

There are Christians and open minded people who might want to read this book. But few will. And of those that ever do read it most will be those that are already addicted to this end of the world deathwish. You may wish to promote a collective suicide based on irrational arguments but lets face it most of us would rather live and see our children live and have children too.

Tao

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Ahhhhhhh there we have it.

We have already established that my opinions mean squat to you. Just as we have established you believe you will be given the divine sanction to Judge me. Just as Bush believes he has the right to send 1000s of your countrymen and 100s of 1000s of others to their deaths to protect the financial interests of him and a few of his friends.

In this thread we are asked to explain and examine the reason and rational behind flooding the middle east with weapons. You want to introduce the bs of a White House stooge promoting Armageddon prophesy as a good reason. Well to my mind this kind of crass ideology is dangerous. Would you push the nuclear button just to be right?

There are Christians and open minded people who might want to read this book. But few will. And of those that ever do read it most will be those that are already addicted to this end of the world deathwish. You may wish to promote a collective suicide based on irrational arguments but lets face it most of us would rather live and see our children live and have children too.

Tao

Actually if you read the book you would know what I am speaking about. Because you have your head up your arse and you think you know what the book is saying then Im not going to enlighten you..

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Actually if you read the book you would know what I am speaking about. Because you have your head up your arse and you think you know what the book is saying then Im not going to enlighten you..

Hi Donna!

Could you expand on what you were saying about Israel and the ME as it relates to the message of this book? Maybe paraphrase, or transcribe a short excerpt to give me an idea where you and the author are coming from. Thanks!

Chris