What made god? - Page 4

pfw · 02-01-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Promethium

. Besides if the Bible was perfect we wouldnt be able to comprehend it perfectly because were not perfect..

please explain this-because I think your saying God's own word isn't perfect here, which would seem to suggest it's ok to pick the interpritation you're most comfortable with rather than question and find the truth. (Abraham apears to have Questioned God frequently and come out from it ok, same with Moses and even Jesus in Gethsemini{I'll have to check spelling there}-which brings into question this whole Trinity thing...)

Silas · 02-01-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pfw

And to answer you other question, 'how would I be able to abide by his rules'- assuming God exists etc, which set of his rules am I supposed to live by today? which one of the religions, all claiming the one and only truth and the only path back to God am I supposed to follow? He certaily seems to be quiet on the subject when I ask- so does that mean none of them or any one of them I take a fancy to or make my own up? (He doesn't seem to be answering that one either so I'm going with the latter- If that turns out to be wrong, and I get punished when I die for it, I'll be sending Him a stifly worded letter of complaint...)

If you humble yourself by assuming your rightful possition of being a nothing compared to God and submit to His rules, namely, to repent and trust in Jesus, He will answer you. As it stands now, however, you have yet to humble yourself or repent and trust in Jesus. That being that case, God will not answer you. "God resist proud people and gives grace to the Humble."

pfw · 02-01-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

If you humble yourself by assuming your rightful possition of being a nothing compared to God and submit to His rules, namely, to repent and trust in Jesus, He will answer you. As it stands now, however, you have yet to humble yourself or repent and trust in Jesus. That being that case, God will not answer you. "God resist proud people and gives grace to the Humble."

in the post you are responding with the abovet I was MAKING A JOKE (and being just a teeny weeny bit sarcastic)-or is humour not allowed in Christian thinking? Lighten up, it's this preachey, holier than thou attitude that drove me away from Christianity in the first place.

Silas · 02-01-2007, 07:21 PM

You left the faith because you never were apart of the faith. You only thought you were saved (1 John 2:18-19). You dont get born again and then unborn agian. The truth is you never repented and trusted in Christ and therefore was never born again in the first place. I encourage you to judge yourself by what God calls good - namely, Jesus, and see how you come up. His standards of good isnt relative and he isnt going to judge you by what you think is good. Look at His laws (the ten commandments) and judge yourself by them. Have you kept them? If not, you'll be judged by them. If you find that you're as God says - namely bad and in need of a Savior, lest you suffer the cost of breaking His laws (sinning), then repent and trust in Jesus and God will forgive you. Not because you're good, but because your fine will have been paid by Christ. It works like this: We break the Law and Christ paid the fine. If we repent and believe in Him (trusting Christ), we will be made right with God. We'd be justified in His court room. All that said, my bad if I sound preachy or holier than thou. I dont mean to sound holier than thou at all, I'm just being real with you. Sorry I missed the joke!

wil · 02-01-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pfw

in the post you are responding with the abovet I was MAKING A JOKE (and being just a teeny weeny bit sarcastic)-or is humour not allowed in Christian thinking? Lighten up, it's this preachey, holier than thou attitude that drove me away from Christianity in the first place.

After a while you notice the posts and understand where folks are coming from around here....some have either got their license or are trying to prove themselves worthy of getting a commercial busman's license to drive folks away.... you can choose not to get on the bus...

pfw · 02-01-2007, 07:59 PM

I understand the concept of Jesus sacrifice- although (and I hate to admit it) that has to be one of the best and easiest to understand explainations I've heard so far. I thought the joke was obvious with the 'punch-line'-sending God a strongly worded letter (I never claimed it was a funny joke).

Silas · 02-01-2007, 08:05 PM

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I understand the concept of Jesus sacrifice- although (and I hate to admit it) that has to be one of the best and easiest to understand explainations I've heard so far. I thought the joke was obvious with the 'punch-line'-sending God a strongly worded letter (I never claimed it was a funny joke).

...Way to be honest about the joke! Hey I have a couple of questions for you, hope you dont mind. Why do you think the whole Bible can be sumed up in one word: Jesus? Why do you think Jesus came?

InLove · 02-01-2007, 08:07 PM

I may regret typing this "out loud", but five-point Calvinism 101 is not the only Christian classroom around.

Silas · 02-01-2007, 08:11 PM

lol. This isnt about Calvinism...I'm trying to keep this very simple with pfw. I'm curious to know what he or she (sorry, I dont know if you're male or female), think is the reason why Jesus is so important to us Christians.

InLove · 02-01-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

lol. This isnt about Calvinism...I'm trying to keep this very simple with pfw. I'm curious to know what he or she (sorry, I dont know if you're male or female), think is the reason why Jesus is so important to us Christians.

If you say so, Silas. We'll see where it goes. Apologies to everyone for that brief vent--just something that has been on the tip of my fingers to say for a while now, and it just finally found it's way to my keyboard.

InPeace (again)
InLove

(and over and out for a while....)

pfw · 02-01-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

lol. This isnt about Calvinism...I'm trying to keep this very simple with pfw. I'm curious to know what he or she (sorry, I dont know if you're male or female), think is the reason why Jesus is so important to us Christians.

I'm finished with this thread-this is the second time I've taken one 'off topic' and I don't want to get a rep here... the answer to you question is Jesus is important to Christianity because you all believe he fulfiled the OT prophecies of a messia, you belive he suffered and died to pay for human sin and without accepting that sacrifice no-one can enter heaven(that's obviously very broad strokes with no detailing but about right?) By the way I'm he-male.

Silas · 02-01-2007, 08:22 PM

Inlove, Arent you that same person that asked me to call you one time?

InLove · 02-01-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

Inlove, Arent you that same person that asked me to call you one time?

I assure you that this is not the case, Silas. This is not the first time you have gotten me mixed up with someone else. Assuming that your confusion is sincere, I would appreciate it if you would make it the last. Thanks.

InPeace,
InLove

Silas · 02-01-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pfw

I'm finished with this thread-this is the second time I've taken one 'off topic' and I don't want to get a rep here... the answer to you question is Jesus is important to Christianity because you all believe he fulfiled the OT prophecies of a messia, you belive he suffered and died to pay for human sin and without accepting that sacrifice no-one can enter heaven(that's obviously very broad strokes with no detailing but about right?) By the way I'm he-male.

We have something in common then, I'm male too. About the answer you gave though, that is only one side of why Jesus came. You see, Christ came to do basically do two very important things:

1. He came to display the Holiness of God. The God of the Bible is a God of Holiness. He says throughout scripture, that while He is Loving, He will by no way let the guilty go unpunished. Therefore, Christ came to display the Justice and righteousness of God, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins (Romans 3:25).

2. He came to save all those who would trust in Him from God's holiness. Again, God will not let the guilty go unpunished - he will always seek Justice! Christ' suffering and agony (not the whipping, or crusifixion, but instead the super natural event that took place on the cross), serves as an atoning subsitation sacrifice for all those who would believe. It works like this: If you are in Christ, all of your sins are imputed to his body were he suffered for sin and all of His righteousness is imputed or credited to your account, thereby giving you Christ' perfection. You are then saved "not of yourselve" e.g., not of your own good works, not of anything in you, but wholely on behalf of Jesus' perfect life imputed to you.

On the 3rd day, Jesus then rose from the grave to validate His claims of being God and to justify those trusting in Him. He did this all for the praise and glory of His name. Do not image that God is some weak guy crying in the sky hoping that people would one day wake up to the fact that God is better than sex or drugs. Christ came to the Glory of God. God does everything for His own Glory.

Silas · 02-01-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by InLove

I assure you that this is not the case, Silas. This is not the first time you have gotten me mixed up with someone else. Assuming that your confusion is sincere, I would appreciate it if you would make it the last. Thanks.

InPeace,
InLove

Trust me...My confussion is sincere! I have a really bad memory - no lie.