what the bible teaches

[Bishadi]

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.


Genesis 9
and Jehovah God causeth to sprout from the ground every tree desirable for appearance, and good for food, and the tree of life in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil

17
and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.'

But no where in all the bible does the bible suggest read only the bible, or read only of .........any book......

basically knowledge is the key to life, but yet no where are we told where knowledge comes from other than by reading what the bible suggest.....

but no where does the bible tell us to read only the bible......

[chaosgate]

The bible is a book of law given to mankind so that they may know how to serve our lord god! it doesnt say that everyone has to serve god but simply that if you have faith and beleave in him this is what you should do......
The trouble with the modern bible is that its not a true reflection of what was passed to humanity as it has been edited by the church and as such only provides a rough outline of whats required to serve correctly but perhaps this was supposed to happen so that the true sevants of good would become evident by working out the correct method of worship for themselves. any how the principle of the bible is to give people a guide to do our job correctly and serve god properly after all every kingdom has its laws and heaven is no different. in other words you wana serve god then follow the law!

[Bishadi]

Mark 10:17-19


And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'

18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;
19the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'

JC suggesting...'no one is good except God'....

This suggests he is not God .......per his words here.

But like you suggested... follow the rules

and then notice the first 4 commandments are not present in the form of homage or ritual observance to God.....

Rituals are for the faith, not for God... otherwise we would be still offering sacrafice......

Seems almost as if the religion itself is evolving......

hosea 4:4-7

4Only, let no one strive, nor reprove a man, And thy people [are] as those striving with a priest.


5And thou hast stumbled in the day, And stumbled hath also a prophet with thee in the night, And I have cut off thy mother.

6Cut off have been My people for lack of knowledge, Because thou knowledge hast rejected, I reject thee from being priest to Me, And thou forgettest the law of thy God, I forget thy sons, I also!
7According to their abundance so they sinned against Me, Their honour into shame I change.


so remain unlearned and complacent to the failed preaching and your honor will not remain....

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Seems almost as if the religion itself is evolving......

hosea 4:4-7

4Only, let no one strive, nor reprove a man, And thy people [are] as those striving with a priest.


5And thou hast stumbled in the day, And stumbled hath also a prophet with thee in the night, And I have cut off thy mother.

6Cut off have been My people for lack of knowledge, Because thou knowledge hast rejected, I reject thee from being priest to Me, And thou forgettest the law of thy God, I forget thy sons, I also!
7According to their abundance so they sinned against Me, Their honour into shame I change.

Funny thing how verses get pulled out of context and used to support notions that have nothing at all to do with what was being presented *in* context. I realize this is a common fallacy among Christians, it happens quite often, but it seems quite inappropriate to me for a non-Christian to be quoting the Bible out of context to support non-Christian ideas...

But that is just silly ol' me...

That religion is evolving is not a new idea. That it should evolve the way *you* desire it is quite another. But then, I suppose it is not possible you might "strive, or reprove a man, and thy people [be] as those striving with a priest?" Or could it?

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Funny thing how verses get pulled out of context and used to support notions that have nothing at all to do with what was being presented *in* context. I realize this is a common fallacy among Christians, it happens quite often, but it seems quite inappropriate to me for a non-Christian to be quoting the Bible out of context to support non-Christian ideas...

But that is just silly ol' me...

That religion is evolving is not a new idea. That it should evolve the way *you* desire it is quite another. But then, I suppose it is not possible you might "strive, or reprove a man, and thy people [be] as those striving with a priest?" Or could it?

321,
at sharing a regression from simply observing reality.

nothing is damaging but to develop.

That when one, such as shared, simply removes observance based on misunderstanding or to argue unfounded, does cause ill regard to the seeker within.

doubt is good, but not to contest based on selfish ignorance or unawareness to the course proposed, does none the better.

The form used is the closest interpretation to represent scripture in english.

Other forms have changed the context of the words for the evangelical teachings of the west.

Can you read the old languages?

Then to suggest context without material evidence is rude.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.


Genesis 9
and Jehovah God causeth to sprout from the ground every tree desirable for appearance, and good for food, and the tree of life in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil

17
and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.'

But no where in all the bible does the bible suggest read only the bible, or read only of .........any book......

basically knowledge is the key to life, but yet no where are we told where knowledge comes from other than by reading what the bible suggest.....

but no where does the bible tell us to read only the bible......

the bible is where we can gain knowledge about Jehovah and his son Jesus . it is like a letter from God .



All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
2 TIMOTHY 3;16-17

[mee]

We read at 2 Peter 3:13: "There are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.


thats what the bible teaches

And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.

And the One seated on the throne said: "Look! I am making all things new." Also, he says: "Write, because these words are faithful and true revelation 21;-4-5

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

321,
at sharing a regression from simply observing reality.

nothing is damaging but to develop.

That when one, such as shared, simply removes observance based on misunderstanding or to argue unfounded, does cause ill regard to the seeker within.

doubt is good, but not to contest based on selfish ignorance or unawareness to the course proposed, does none the better.

The form used is the closest interpretation to represent scripture in english.

Other forms have changed the context of the words for the evangelical teachings of the west.

Can you read the old languages?

Then to suggest context without material evidence is rude.

Am I to presume you now add charges of arguing unfounded and rudeness to your accusations of lying upon me?

Can you read the old languages? To some very small extent I *can* read the old languages of the Bible, and where I cannot I hold a wealth of resources in my personal library dedicated to that very issue.

The material evidence is plain in your previous post, where the quotes are used decidedly out of context from their intended meanings. One needn't be able to translate the old languages, why reinvent the wheel? Any good translation, such as the KJV, will suffice to provide the proper context.

So if stating fact is rude, then you are most correct, I am very rude.

Hosea 3:1 Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods, and love flagons of wine.

Hosea 3:2 So I bought her to me for fifteen pieces of silver, and for an homer of barley, and an half homer of barley:

Hosea 3:3 And I said unto her, Thou shalt abide for me many days; thou shalt not play the harlot, and thou shalt not be for another man: so will I also be for thee.

Hosea 3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:

Hosea 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.

Hosea 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.

Hosea 4:2 By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.

Hosea 4:3 Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

Hosea 4:4 Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people are as they that strive with the priest.

Hosea 4:5 Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Hosea 4:7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.

Hosea 4:8 They eat up the sin of my people, and they set their heart on their iniquity.

Hosea 4:9 And there shall be, like people, like priest: and I will punish them for their ways, and reward them their doings.

Hosea 4:10 For they shall eat, and not have enough: they shall commit whoredom, and shall not increase: because they have left off to take heed to the LORD.

Hosea 4:11 Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.

Hosea 4:12 My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them: for the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God.

Hosea 4:13 They sacrifice upon the tops of the mountains, and burn incense upon the hills, under oaks and poplars and elms, because the shadow thereof is good: therefore your daughters shall commit whoredom, and your spouses shall commit adultery.

Hosea 4:14 I will not punish your daughters when they commit whoredom, nor your spouses when they commit adultery: for themselves are separated with whores, and they sacrifice with harlots: therefore the people that doth not understand shall fall.

Hosea 4:15 Though thou, Israel, play the harlot, yet let not Judah offend; and come not ye unto Gilgal, neither go ye up to Bethaven, nor swear, The LORD liveth.

Hosea 4:16 For Israel slideth back as a backsliding heifer: now the LORD will feed them as a lamb in a large place.

Hosea 4:17 Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone.

Hosea 4:18 Their drink is sour: they have committed whoredom continually: her rulers with shame do love, Give ye.

Hosea 4:19 The wind hath bound her up in her wings, and they shall be ashamed because of their sacrifices.

So, to whom is Hosea speaking, and what is he speaking about? *That* is the context. While a lesson may well be provided in the narrative, levelling the accusation of the text towards others is not in context.

Otherwise, I could quote out of context to you:

"I will not punish your daughters when they commit whoredom, nor your spouses when they commit adultery: for themselves are separated with whores, and they sacrifice with harlots: therefore the people that doth not understand shall fall."

Afterall, that is Hosea 4:14.

So if we are going to get into a scripture battle, shall we at least stay in context please? I would ask as much even of Christians.

[mee]

Hoseas Prophecy Helps Us to Walk With God

"After Jehovah they will walk."—HOSEA 11:10.

The Ways of Jehovah Are Upright

"The ways of Jehovah are upright, and the righteous are the ones who will walk in them."—HOSEA 14:9.

Jehovah requires unhypocritical worship,

God shows his people loyal love,
we need to hope in Jehovah constantly,
Jehovah’s ways are always upright, and sinners can return to Jehovah.

thats what the bible teaches

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Am I to presume you now add charges of arguing unfounded and rudeness to your accusations of lying upon me?

No need too point fingers, you know what you do.

Can you read the old languages? To some very small extent I *can* read the old languages of the Bible, and where I cannot I hold a wealth of resources in my personal library dedicated to that very issue.

Good to read

The material evidence is plain in your previous post, where the quotes are used decidedly out of context from their intended meanings. One needn't be able to translate the old languages, why reinvent the wheel? Any good translation, such as the KJV, will suffice to provide the proper context.

So if stating fact is rude, then you are most correct, I am very rude.

Well at least we know where you get your 'facts'.....

So, to whom is Hosea speaking, and what is he speaking about? *That* is the context. While a lesson may well be provided in the narrative, levelling the accusation of the text towards others is not in context.

Otherwise, I could quote out of context to you:

"I will not punish your daughters when they commit whoredom, nor your spouses when they commit adultery: for themselves are separated with whores, and they sacrifice with harlots: therefore the people that doth not understand shall fall."

Afterall, that is Hosea 4:14.

So if we are going to get into a scripture battle, shall we at least stay in context please? I would ask as much even of Christians.

I agree..... no 'almighty' will judge.... the people will be the judges!

And 'therefore the people that doth not UNDERSTAND will fall"

Hey I agree!

It is why the old saying suggests....... 'let him who hath understanding'

recon the number of all known life.... C-12.........

So to have understanding, each must have knowledge, and the knowledge to comprehend life in true physical understanding, is not within the KJV..........

all the KJV offer is the ability to understand compassion but not a thing your doctor will ever learn within that book will assist your child through medical attention.........

see the difference?

One type of knowledge shares the old descriptions of addressing the human experience, and one give life with physical UNDERSTANDING.

And to combine the two, offers the truth!

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

No need too point fingers, you know what you do.

Indeed. I get no self-aggrandizing ego trip from some convoluted new age pseudo-prophetic ideality preached as though it were factual truth.

It is why the old saying suggests....... 'let him who hath understanding'

recon the number of all known life.... C-12.........

So to have understanding, each must have knowledge, and the knowledge to comprehend life in true physical understanding, is not within the KJV..........

all the KJV offer is the ability to understand compassion but not a thing your doctor will ever learn within that book will assist your child through medical attention.........

see the difference?

One type of knowledge shares the old descriptions of addressing the human experience, and one give life with physical UNDERSTANDING.

And to combine the two, offers the truth!

Ah! Now I get where you are coming from, and I see you make the same error of judgement so very many before you have. You are trying to hold the lessons bound in myth and allegory to the scientific standard of proof.

Apples and oranges, my friend. You cannot compare the two in any but the most fringe manner. Two completely different magesteria, as S.J.Gould puts it. Science and fact have no authority over religion and faith, likewise faith and religion have no authority over science and fact.

If you are game, I have an experiment for you. What is love? Take your choice of approach; the scientific "factual" biochemical road, or the religious "faithful" adoration road...either road will lead you to an understanding of love, a "menu" so to speak. But neither one will replace the experience of love, the "meal."

So using science to attempt to undermine religion, or using religion to undermine science, is disingenuous at best. At worst it is hypocritical. In the end the arguments are frivolous and moot, and have nothing to do with righteous behavior. It is all staring at the menu and salivating instead of enjoying the meal.

"Let us hear the whole of the matter; Fear G-d, and keep His commandments." -said Solomon in Ecclesiastes. Doesn't say anything about mysteries there! I believe it is Ezekiel that admonishes that all secret things will be shouted from the roof tops. Hardly an inducement to secrets and mysteries...

You are most welcome of course, to keep staring at your menu, or you are welcome to pull up a chair and enjoy your meal. Please excuse me while I enjoy my meal.

[Bishadi]

I get no self-aggrandizing ego trip from some convoluted new age pseudo-prophetic ideality preached as though it were factual truth

As knowledge evolves, the ignorant or complacent may consider it new age.

Apples and oranges, my friend. You cannot compare the two in any but the most fringe manner. Two completely different magesteria, as S.J.Gould puts it. Science and fact have no authority over religion and faith, likewise faith and religion have no authority over science and fact.

Not concerned with pseudo sciences, nor the observance of ‘uncertainties’ to describe phenomena. It seems correct that if the sciences still observe ‘uncertainties’ bound to ‘chaos’ (entropy), then they are incorrect. Likewise, it seems if I wish to share to my children what is true, that to establish magic, miracles and creation as to what makes us alive, is irresponsible.

If you are game, I have an experiment for you. What is love?

and if I play are you willing to do the reading or do you wish for me to just spell it out and you will accept it as true?

So either you can recognize what is true when observed, or you wish to remain complacent.

Take your choice of approach; the scientific "factual" biochemical road, or the religious "faithful" adoration road...either road will lead you to an understanding of love, a "menu" so to speak. But neither one will replace the experience of love, the "meal."

So who do you observe for you definition of love? Freud?

And then if you believe him, you must recognize most all of your imperfections are ‘Mom’s fault.’

So using science to attempt to undermine religion, or using religion to undermine science, is disingenuous at best. At worst it is hypocritical. In the end the arguments are frivolous and moot, and have nothing to do with righteous behavior. It is all staring at the menu and salivating instead of enjoying the meal.

How rude.

"Let us hear the whole of the matter; Fear G-d, and keep His commandments." -said Solomon in Ecclesiastes. Doesn't say anything about mysteries there! I believe it is Ezekiel that admonishes that all secret things will be shouted from the roof tops……

IN one sense, you share knowledge from each branch could never combine, and then post that ‘from the roof tops’ all secrets will be known.

So which is it……?

Let’s start with Love……………… please tell us all why we Love our parents? What physical, literal, practical reality, makes it that one would die to save their parents lives?

Why is there that need or desire to be with a spouse? How is that physically occurring?

And please, we are in the 21st century, use something that is equal to all mankind and not simply based on one book as we all know, there is more “love” ( billion people) in China than in the west, so what you post must also apply to them equally, not faithfully.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

As knowledge evolves, the ignorant or complacent may consider it new age.


Not concerned with pseudo sciences, nor the observance of ‘uncertainties’ to describe phenomena. It seems correct that if the sciences still observe ‘uncertainties’ bound to ‘chaos’ (entropy), then they are incorrect. Likewise, it seems if I wish to share to my children what is true, that to establish magic, miracles and creation as to what makes us alive, is irresponsible.



and if I play are you willing to do the reading or do you wish for me to just spell it out and you will accept it as true?

So either you can recognize what is true when observed, or you wish to remain complacent.

So who do you observe for you definition of love? Freud?

And then if you believe him, you must recognize most all of your imperfections are ‘Mom’s fault.’

How rude.
IN one sense, you share knowledge from each branch could never combine, and then post that ‘from the roof tops’ all secrets will be known.

So which is it……?

Let’s start with Love……………… please tell us all why we Love our parents? What physical, literal, practical reality, makes it that one would die to save their parents lives?

Why is there that need or desire to be with a spouse? How is that physically occurring?

And please, we are in the 21st century, use something that is equal to all mankind and not simply based on one book as we all know, there is more “love” ( billion people) in China than in the west, so what you post must also apply to them equally, not faithfully.

I have a story to tell. It's a good story, and pertenant to this topic. My family bought a sloop rig in 1983, while it was sitting at the bottom of the Detroit river. Once they got it back on the surface and in the boat yard, they decided to restore it to original configuration.

Reality check: It was built in 1936, with the technology of the day (long leaf pine planks @ 50 feet as well as plentiful Alaskan White Cedar, and german made bronze rivets, and german engineering...now all gone.

How to restore it in this "enlightened" age? They went back to the old books, and taught themselves shiprights of a bygone era.

Moral? They had to go back to the original lessons, because this day's enlightenment did nothing for them. Ecclesiastes comes to mind when I read your posts of enlightenment...nothing new under the sun.

Sometimes it pays to blow the dust off of old books of wisdom and actually read what the authors were trying to convey to "future" generations (eh, that's you and me), instead of attempting to invent "new" wisdom.

I opine that your "wisdom" won't save a life (let alone a soul), but my simple wisdom (lesson learned) will and has done both. (do unto others as you would have done unto you).

You're a smart person, and highly intelligent. (there is a difference, and you have both attributes) But the God complex has to go. That really detracts from your appeal.

v/r

Q

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I have a story to tell. It's a good story, and pertenant to this topic. My family bought a sloop rig in 1983, while it was sitting at the bottom of the Detroit river. Once they got it back on the surface and in the boat yard, they decided to restore it to original configuration.

Reality check: It was built in 1936, with the technology of the day (long leaf pine planks @ 50 feet as well as plentiful Alaskan White Cedar, and german made bronze rivets, and german engineering...now all gone.

How to restore it in this "enlightened" age? They went back to the old books, and taught themselves shiprights of a bygone era.

Moral? They had to go back to the original lessons, because this day's enlightenment did nothing for them.

I agree, see what religions have done to this globe when they require complacency to beliefs in phenomenon.

Dialogue fails between sides when values are issued cause, based from a theology.

Ecclesiastes comes to mind when I read your posts of enlightenment...nothing new under the sun.

Good, at least our fathers since the beginning of time were at least trying and maybe just maybe, you could also represent with quality intent rather than offer opinions against a person's 'complex.'

Sometimes it pays to blow the dust off of old books of wisdom and actually read what the authors were trying to convey to "future" generations (eh, that's you and me), instead of attempting to invent "new" wisdom.

Knowledge evolves, just as words, techniques and life has.

question is do you represent the truth of these matters or remain complacent simply by choice?

Seems good to pick up where they left off so to both honor and finish what can be expected; UNDERSTANDING. Basically it take a choice of integrity to observe both the past and future, to be of any moral constitution.

As if the previous generations did not care of the future then no material knowledge would ever convey. So to remain true of honesty to our forefathers, then observe more of our brothers opinions as 'that man is also of my father.'

I opine that your "wisdom" won't save a life (let alone a soul), but my simple wisdom (lesson learned) will and has done both.

So you now judge and have the god complex in one sentence..

(do unto others as you would have done unto you).

Take a seat, ask questions, but please be fair with quality dialogue.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

I agree, see what religions have done to this globe when they require complacency to beliefs in phenomenon.

Dialogue fails between sides when values are issued cause, based from a theology.

Good, at least our fathers since the beginning of time were at least trying and maybe just maybe, you could also represent with quality intent rather than offer opinions against a person's 'complex.'

Knowledge evolves, just as words, techniques and life has.

question is do you represent the truth of these matters or remain complacent simply by choice?

Seems good to pick up where they left off so to both honor and finish what can be expected; UNDERSTANDING. Basically it take a choice of integrity to observe both the past and future, to be of any moral constitution.

As if the previous generations did not care of the future then no material knowledge would ever convey. So to remain true of honesty to our forefathers, then observe more of our brothers opinions as 'that man is also of my father.'

So you now judge and have the god complex in one sentence..



Take a seat, ask questions, but please be fair with quality dialogue.

Nope. I call it as I see it. I saw you coming for miles...