What would you do if pt 2 - Page 6

Prober · 03-01-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

Of which neighbor? Silas has asked people to be honest. On the model of an absolute truth, a hidden understanding that a person is to be honest with, God's law or justice, etc... I disagree with Silas and it would take a long time to find a common understanding, but I submit the more important bridge is between an individual and God.

I understand what you're saying. It appears I have judged you hastily.

Please forgive me.

Best Regards,
Mark

P.S. Was not familiar with the prisoner thing. Interesting...

cyberpi · 03-02-2007, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Prober

Please forgive me.

I appreciate the rebukes and thank you for them. Please don't feel ashamed to rebuke me at any time for any reason. My comment was narrowly and poorly made and deserved something.

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Originally Posted by Prober

P.S. Was not familiar with the prisoner thing. Interesting...

By the way I personally find game theory revolting, full of iniquity, but fruitful to learn, consider, and understand why. Several Nobel prizes have been awarded over it. I bring it up because perhaps without realizing it, it is what was being discussed here. It is in the chasm of 'what if' logic between models of science and souls, biological evolution and God.

(Game theory economists: Nobel prize 2005)
Game theory economists win Nobel prize - Stocks & Economy - MSNBC.com

I, Brian · 03-03-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

You're right, evolution is only a theory. Why then do people teach it as fact?

Same reason with the Theory of Gravity. It's a scientific model tested by scientific processes.

It doesn't parade as Truth, but something to be tested and verified and improved from.

Silas · 03-03-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by I, Brian

Same reason with the Theory of Gravity. It's a scientific model tested by scientific processes.

It doesn't parade as Truth, but something to be tested and verified and improved from.

Gravity has been tested and proven. Evolution? Well, you tell me.

juantoo3 · 03-03-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

Gravity has been tested and proven.

What is gravity?

What is gravity?

What is gravity?

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”What is gravity?”

“We don't really know. We can define what it is as a field of influence, because we know how it operates in the Universe. And some scientists think that it is made up of particles called gravitons which travel at the speed of light. However, if we are to be honest, we do not know what gravity "is" in any fundamental way - we only know how it behaves.”

Quantum mechanics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Inconsistencies arise when one tries to join the quantum laws with general relativity, a more elaborate description of spacetime which incorporates gravitation. Resolving these inconsistencies has been a major goal of twentieth- and twenty-first-century physics. Many prominent physicists, including Stephen Hawking, have labored in the attempt to discover a "Grand Unification Theory" that combines not only different models of subatomic physics, but also defines the universe's four forces--the strong force, weak force, electromagnetism, and gravity--as being different variations of a single force or phenomenon.
Quantum field theories for the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force have been developed. The quantum field theory of the strong nuclear force is called quantum chromodynamics, and describes the interactions of the subnuclear particles: quarks and gluons. The weak nuclear force and the electromagnetic force were unified, in their quantized forms, into a single quantum field theory known as electroweak theory.
It has proven difficult to construct quantum models of gravity, the remaining fundamental force. Semi-classical approximations are workable, and have led to predictions such as Hawking radiation. However, the formulation of a complete theory of quantum gravity is hindered by apparent incompatibilities between general relativity, the most accurate theory of gravity currently known, and some of the fundamental assumptions of quantum theory. The resolution of these incompatibilities is an area of active research, and theories such as string theory are among the possible candidates for a future theory of quantum gravity.

Silas · 03-03-2007, 06:09 PM

Thats very interesting stuff! If only you'd have this same zeal for the things of God, surely you'd find out why we need God's forgiveness and the reason for Christ' sufferings.

juantoo3 · 03-03-2007, 06:21 PM

At least, in my zeal for G-d, I try very hard to be honest and truthful.

Silas · 03-03-2007, 08:23 PM

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At least, in my zeal for G-d, I try very hard to be honest and truthful.

That's great! God will honor that if it is true! So, have you given thought to your eternal situation yet? Have you repented of your sins and begun to trust that because of Jesus' perfect life, perfect sacrifice, and resurrection, you can be forgiven by God?

juantoo3 · 03-03-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

That's great! God will honor that if it is true!

Exactly. It is a matter between me and G-d.

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So, have you given thought to your eternal situation yet? Have you repented of your sins and begun to trust that because of Jesus' perfect life, perfect sacrifice, and resurrection, you can be forgiven by God?

See the above answer. You are not G-d, so your honor means nothing to me.

(refer to my previous post)

Silas · 03-03-2007, 08:56 PM

Do not seek to honor me, by any means. I am not worthy of your honor, nor do I seek to have you honor me. I do remind you, however, that there is an eternal situation facing you. Heaven or Hell are the choices. By the grace of God, you are still yet living. Do not spurn His grace. Do not hear the gospel and take it for a joke. It is not. It is the power of God to change you, if you believe.