When all phenomena is erased

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by bhaktajan

Quote the Gita!
Quote the Gita!
Quote the Gita!

How's that sound to you?

It sounds like you are asking me to limit my expression to the experience of another rather than speaking of my own.

[bhaktajan]

We are not separate from God, this is maya, our delusion. We are as a cell of God, a bubble in the river of God. The point of religion, the path to re-binding - which is the meaning of religion - is the path of popping our bubble, of acknowledging we are part of the whole not merely a separate cell independent of the One.

Wow, this is probably a verbatim quote of some 'Advaita' poet, right?
Sounds like the usual suspected Advaitic verses to me.

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by bhaktajan

Wow, this is probably a verbatim quote of some 'Advaita' poet, right?
Sounds like the usual suspected Advaitic verses to me.

It is an expression of personal experience.

[bhaktajan]

[QUOTE

Originally Posted by Lunitik:
It sounds like you are asking me to limit my expression to the experience of another rather than speaking of my own.

Oh jeez.

Wadda ya going to do with these people??????????????

Ya gotz ta Quote Authority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Learn the Kings English first before sermonising.

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by bhaktajan

Oh jeez.

Wadda ya going to do with these people??????????????

Ya gotz ta Quote Authority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Learn the Kings English first before sermonising.

You have read the Gita, what is the purpose of quoting it? We merely direct each other towards statements which must be interpreted. We will certainly interpret them differently.

Every faith teaches a form of merging with the divine, it is not particular to the Gita. The goal cannot change, only the expression can. I use my own expression because I have my own experience of what is explained. You need the words of another because you have no experience of your own, you are taking a scholarly approach rather than a spiritual approach to the words of another.

[Lunitik]

No doubt you could defeat me in any discussion of the Gita, using logic... you still have not experienced that which you speak of, however.

[bhaktajan]

You have read the Gita, what is the purpose of quoting it?

That's like saying,
"You have learnt English, what is the purpose of utilising it?"

or,
"You have earned your pay-check, what is the purpose of cashing it?"

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by bhaktajan

That's like saying,
"You have learnt English, what is the purpose of utilising it?"

or,
"You have earned your pay-check, what is the purpose of cashing it?"

No, it is more like saying "you have earned a doctorate of English, why then return to elementary school studies of the subject?"

or

"You own a business, why work for someone else in your free time?"

[Lunitik]

Moksha means liberation, you ask me to imprison myself in the box another has created.

[bhaktajan]

We are not separate from God, this is maya, our delusion. We are as a cell of God, a bubble in the river of God. The point of religion, the path to re-binding - which is the meaning of religion - is the path of popping our bubble, of acknowledging we are part of the whole not merely a separate cell independent of the One.

Originally Posted by Lunitik

It is an expression of personal experience.

IMO:
Advaita (Oneness) is a sentiment that does not require hundreds of books and verses to arrive at.

Advaita-Philosophy is simplistic Philosophical sentiment inre to the seekers "Oneness" with the creation.

The simplistic Philosophical sentiment that "all is One" is true for any pedestrian.

Advaita is not a revelation ---its common sense dressed in flowery words that yield self-angrandisement only.

How many verses is required before one conceeds that "All is One" ---it's poetry masquerading as a sort of calculus of Hindu Philosophy ---when upon review, it's just unending narratives of "Oneness".

Reading Advaita texts do not make one an expert on Hindu Metaphysics.
It just makes one feel at ease because they are informed of the 'inert' "Oneness" underlying all of the phantasmagoria of karmic activity in the Creation.

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by bhaktajan

IMO:
Advaita (Oneness) is a sentiment that does not require hundreds of books and verses to arrive at.

Advaita-Philosophy is simplistic Philosophical sentiment inre to the seekers "Oneness" with the creation.

The simplistic Philosophical sentiment that "all is One" is true for any pedestrian.

Advaita is not a revelation ---its common sense dressed in flowery words that yield self-angrandisement only.

How many verses is required before one conceeds that "All is One" ---it's poetry masquerading as a sort of calculus of Hindu Philosophy ---when upon review, it's just unending narratives of "Oneness".

Reading Advaita texts do not make one an expert on Hindu Metaphysics.
It just makes one feel at ease because they are informed of the 'inert' "Oneness" underlying all of the phantasmagoria of karmic activity in the Creation.

I completely agree, reading without experience has no benefit at all.

Does a full scholarly understanding of metaphysics allow you to see the face of Brahman? What use are the metaphysics if the goal is not attained?

[Lunitik]

Of course, I call it Brahman because you are Hindu.

It is the nameless, for words themselves are human in nature, not divine. Divinity is the consolidation of all duality, yet in disputes over which understanding within the dual plane have best described the One, how many have died in the history of this planet?

Can it even be said with certainty that Brahman is God? God is a personification of the Absolute, yet it is merely another word that people have attached their own meaning to.

If I am held to the unenlightened persons view of God, then I am atheist, I am grateful this is not the case.

[bhaktajan]

yet in disputes over which understanding within the dual plane have best described the One, how many have died in the history of this planet?

BTW, this is a false assertion!

National Wars and/or societal murders are mostly about material thieft of wealth & property by a gang under a common banner ---the banner may be any concocted common factor such as "We band of hoards are of common-think, lets us go forth and hoard!"

Wars are not fought over Philosophical debates ---they are acts of robbery.

[Lunitik]

Originally Posted by bhaktajan

BTW, this is a false assertion!

National Wars and/or societal murders are mostly about material thieft of wealth & property by a gang under a common banner ---the banner may be any concocted common factor such as "We band of hoards are of common-think, lets us go forth and hoard!"

Wars are not fought over Philosophical debates ---they are acts of robbery.

You can view it in any light you choose, it does not change the facts. These hoards are acting on the scriptures they hold most dear and slay those that disagree...

[bhaktajan]

hoards are acting on the scriptures they hold most dear and slay those that disagree...

Some follow the commandments, and others, do schemes.