When is it appropriate to share your religious faith with others?

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by mee

lol

maybe you should meet the other nearly seven million world wide and you just might change your thinking .


but after saying that, i am not saying that Jehovahs witnesses do not get depressed , we get sick the same as anyone .

but for mee i see people (Jehovahs witnesses)that are very happy .
And having an accurate knowledge of what the bible REALLY teaches makes them very happy.

"Happy is the people whose God is Jehovah!"—Ps. 144:15.

Hi Mee!

First, I want to say that I sincerely appreciate how you've been making an effort to be more personable lately. Thank you for that!

The nicest person I know, a guy who I love like a brother, is my friend Eric. He is a JW. He was born and raised in the truth (as you all would say), and maybe that's why he's not such a tight ass about the whole thing. We've had some fantastic conversations over the years when we worked together, and I have extreme admiration and fondness for him because he's just that rare jewel of a person. He hooked me up with the naturopathic doctor who cured my daughter's alopecia when the medical establishment wanted to make her a guinea pig and charge us for it. Eric's son and his daughter have severe OCD and manic depressive/bi-polar problems, and he's on a one man crusade to understand and fix his kids. The man is a walking, talking encyclopedia of homeopathic knowledge.

If you guys can find a way to clone my buddy Eric you could take over the world.

Chris

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Paladin

First of all I never mentioned feeling personally shamed by anything you said, please get your story straight.

Then you have not been controlled or manipulated linguistically into shame to allow yourself to be imposed upon. Correct? Yet, you accuse me of it as if something I said were a crime. Are you just pretending?

Originally Posted by Paladin

Second, you felt the need to go on about how rude and selfish it is not to allow people to come to my doorstep using scenarios from your home area.

Did you not equally express that a person on your doorstep was rude and selfish, providing a scenario from your home area?

Originally Posted by Paladin

Don't even pretend not to know what I'm talking about here Cyberpi, it's cowardly and disingenuous.

No pretending. You can treat solicitors how you would want to be treated and I will treat solicitors how I would want to be treated.

Originally Posted by Paladin

I don't take kindly to the kind of BS you spout anyway .

Well I have and will continue to kindly read and consider yours.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Then you have not been controlled or manipulated linguistically into shame to allow yourself to be imposed upon. Correct? Yet, you accuse me of it as if something I said were a crime. Are you just pretending?

Did you not equally express that a person on your doorstep was rude and selfish, providing a scenario from your home area?

No pretending. You can treat solicitors how you would want to be treated and I will treat solicitors how I would want to be treated.

Well I have and will continue to kindly read and consider yours.

You know damn well what I was talking about so don't try any of your manipulative narcissistic bull**** with me you coward. This is exactly the kind of control mechanism I was describing all along.
By going on and on about how saintly you are in allowing all on your doorstep and those who don't are selfish and rude you allude in a sly way to what was being said by me without directly doing so.
So cut the crap you pencil necked geek and If you want to go head to head with me do so and cut the passive aggressive schtick.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Paladin

You know damn well what I was talking about so don't try any of your manipulative narcissistic bull**** with me you coward. This is exactly the kind of control mechanism I was describing all along.
By going on and on about how saintly you are in allowing all on your doorstep and those who don't are selfish and rude you allude in a sly way to what was being said by me without directly doing so.
So cut the crap you pencil necked geek and If you want to go head to head with me do so and cut the passive aggressive schtick.

Paladin it looks like you are getting angry. That is your choice, so don't do it on my account. I have a job in Denver: Care to discuss it over dinner? My treat. In the meantime don't worry about me: I won't solicite on your doorstep or go near it without your expressed written permission.

[Paladin]

Yes I am angry and it is my choice to be so. The kind of behavior you exhibit is controlling, and manipulative and believe me whenever I see you using it on someone I'm going to be all over you like a cheap suit.
I've seen you do it to others and don't say much because people like Chris and Tao can take care of themselves, but when you start in on people like Dondi I take it personally. You feel like picking on someone you look me up and I'll be happy to oblige.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Yes I am angry and it is my choice to be so. The kind of behavior you exhibit is controlling, and manipulative and believe me whenever I see you using it on someone I'm going to be all over you like a cheap suit.

My words are my choice. Your words are your choice. My actions are my choice. Your actions are your choice. Correct? No controlling or manipulation here... it is physically not possible.

Originally Posted by Paladin

I've seen you do it to others and don't say much because people like Chris and Tao can take care of themselves, but when you start in on people like Dondi I take it personally.

You seem to be confused. Dondi is invited on my doorstep and at my dinner table. Would you like to come too? I would invite Tao but he is a long ways away. I get closer to Chris occasionally.

Originally Posted by Paladin

You feel like picking on someone you look me up and I'll be happy to oblige.

I'm picking on you for dinner when I'm in Denver. Are you truly up for it?

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by bob x

No, that's not what I meant.

I mean that even if the story is true, it doesn't work for you to tell it, it just creates the impression "there go the Christians confabulating again."

No, I don't think there was any such woman in the first place.

Because it's the kind of crap Christians always come up with. It's as sadly familiar as 17 making up his BS "probabilities" out of thin air, and seattle chiming in with stories about how she's scientifically investigated all the alternatives.

Hey, I'd be more than happy to discuss the finer points of punctuated equilibruim with you. The idea of rocks hitting the earth causing apes to change into people reminds me of the Rinsei Zen idea of hitting the student repeatedly with the Zen stick to cause the student to become enlightened.

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Hey, I'd be more than happy to discuss the finer points of punctuated equilibruim with you. The idea of rocks hitting the earth causing apes to change into people reminds me of the Rinsei Zen idea of hitting the student repeatedly with the Zen stick to cause the student to become enlightened.

I don't understand what the one thing has to do with the other. Seriously SG, lately you've left me wondering what in the heck you're trying to connect. Are you just trying to baffle us with bull****, or do you have a coherent theory in mind that you'd like to share? Or are you like the other Christians who never actually engage, but pretend to rhetorically only to snap their neck in at the last second?

Put something solid out that you're willing to go to bat for.

Chris

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

I don't understand what the one thing has to do with the other. Seriously SG, lately you've left me wondering what in the heck you're trying to connect. Are you just trying to baffle us with bull****, or do you have a coherent theory in mind that you'd like to share? Or are you like the other Christians who never actually engage, but pretend to rhetorically only to snap their neck in at the last second?

Put something solid out that you're willing to go to bat for.

Chris

That's the point, Chris. When it all comes down to where the the rubber meets the road, belief regarding origins of whatever flavor breaks down due to a lack of concrete evidence that can be proven in a definitive manner, leaving only faith to fill in the gaps. All you're left with is MU!

[Netti-Netti]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Or are you like the other Christians who never actually engage, but pretend to rhetorically only to snap their neck in at the last second?

Chris, what does it mean "To snap one's neck in"?
Actually hadnt heard that before.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Netti-Netti

Chris, what does it mean "To snap one's neck in"?
Actually hadnt heard that before.

Like a turtle.

[Netti-Netti]

"are you like the other Christians who never actually engage, but pretend to rhetorically only to snap their neck in at the last second?"

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Like a turtle.

What Chris is describing sounds like ambivalence. Turtles are ambivalent?

Sorry, English is not my first language. I'm still learning idioms.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Netti-Netti

Sorry, English is not my first language. I'm still learning idioms.

That's OK. I have enough trouble with English--and it's my first language.

[Netti-Netti]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

That's OK. I have enough trouble with English--and it's my first language.

I would think one would need to know the language well to be good at sarcasm.

What's it called when the turtle retreats into its shell? Opposite or reversal of snap?

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Netti-Netti

I would think one would need to know the language well to be good at sarcasm.

Touche.

What's it called when the turtle retreats into its shell? Opposite or reversal of snap?

Neck folding.