‘where will you spend eternity’

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

It might be interesting to devote some time to checking their predictions. My own observations are that such papers are barely worth the paper they are written on and if they were true then time dilates and expands unpredictably. As can be seen by waiting for and hour for a bus then 3 come at once.

I tried to discuss a shift to a new paradigm (a la Kuhn) with a bus driver coming home recently late one night. I somewhat tongue-in-cheek suggested that the number and magnitude of temporal anomalies was now beyond acceptable levels of error. “Surely the tipping point for a paradigm shift”, I suggested. But he just told me to f*ck off. In fact, he made me get off the bus.

s.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

I tried to discuss a shift to a new paradigm (a la Kuhn) with a bus driver coming home recently late one night. I somewhat tongue-in-cheek suggested that the number and magnitude of temporal anomalies was now beyond acceptable levels of error. “Surely the tipping point for a paradigm shift”, I suggested. But he just told me to f*ck off. In fact, he made me get off the bus.

s.

Pmsl.............

[_Z_]

wil

Be interesting research to find out how many ‘wrongdoers’ believe in eternity v. those who do not.

i would think many do, i doubt if it is much different to the general populous. i would expect that many either think there is an escape clause [purgatory or that they are young and will change and it will all be ok in the end etc], or that they are not to blame. some perhaps feel that hell would be a good place to go, wine women etc, so it is simply a place where people are like them, which would be ok right.
if we were to say that there is no hell apart from the one you make, then that they will just be reborn or cease to exist after death, perhaps the attitude would be different. but i doubt it, evil doers simply excuse themselves by any twist of flawed logic.

snoopy

the universe came into being but a moment ago and will exist for only a moment.

ha yes, so we dont exist now then. ...or perhaps that we only imagine it does, reality is a purely subjective entity and everything we observe is a shared hallucination. when we die we go; oh! and realise this, thence heaven/reality once realised is a playground for the mind.

I somewhat tongue-in-cheek suggested that the number and magnitude of temporal anomalies was now beyond acceptable levels of error. "Surely the tipping point for a paradigm shift", I suggested. But he just told me to f*ck off. In fact, he made me get off the bus.

brilliant, but are you allowed to speak like that here.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by _Z_

snoopy
ha yes, so we dont exist now then.

er yes we do! each moment the universe is creeated, exists and is destoyed by the creation of the universe in the next moment. keep up!

reality is a purely subjective entity

that is one necessary perspective I think.

everything we observe is a shared hallucination.

not shared; each to our own, I think?

when we die we go; oh! and realise this,

we may hopefully make a realisation before we die.

thence heaven/reality once realised is a playground for the mind.

twas ever thus.

brilliant, but are you allowed to speak like that here.

I checked the CoC and as long as one uses *****s then it is permissable to criticise public transport.

s.

[_Z_]

snoopy

er yes we do! each moment the universe is creeated, exists and is destoyed by the creation of the universe in the next moment. keep up!

i see, its impossible though, not only because particles arise all over the universe at variable times, but also because you would need a mechanism for that. an un-elegant and purposeless solution perhaps.

not shared; each to our own, I think?

i think we can say we have a shared environment whatever its nature?

good stuff mate

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by _Z_

because particles arise all over the universe at variable times,

that is true if the universe is not a moment by moment thing.

i think we can say we have a shared environment whatever its nature?

but that may only be grist for our perceptual mill?

good stuff mate

it won't last.

s.

[_Z_]

that is true if the universe is not a moment by moment thing.

without going into what mechanisms we would need to make that happen, we would need for particles to arise simultaneously in any given instance, which they do not. unless we imagine the momentary universe to have half manifest particles at some points. possible i suppose, plausible, i think not, a fun idea yes.

but that may only be grist for our perceptual mill?

hmm a third party hallucination shared by all, interesting. we could imagine that to begin with what we perceive to be our environment is quite different from one another then over time and agree perceptions it becomes what we consider as one.

its all not true though of course, to show it to be so we would have to first show that there is no infinity, and that there is are mechanisms for it.
however, i get the message, or at least a message i think is there; that reality could be anything. perhaps the universe is just a chance shape in the eternal coloured plasticine’s being formed and reformed by nothing.

[wil]

Originally Posted by wil

My grandpa always said don't spend it all at once.

I've now decided he meant don't spend it all in one PLACE!

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by _Z_

hmm a third party hallucination shared by all, interesting.

er, no….

a perception of reality that is unique to each of us, is what I meant.

s.

[Paladin]

[quote=_Z_;171925]

snoopy

brilliant, but are you allowed to speak like that here. [/quote

Normally we don't speak about paradigm shifts, but I think just this once I Brian will allow it.

[Snoopy]

[quote=Paladin;172086]

Originally Posted by _Z_

snoopy

brilliant, but are you allowed to speak like that here. [/quote

Normally we don't speak about paradigm shifts, but I think just this once I Brian will allow it.

I hoped to slip it under his radar, as he's such a busy chap.

s.