Who Are They? - Page 8

Muslimwoman · 08-02-2007, 02:20 PM

Thanks for your answers guys.

So is it fair to say that you do see the trinity as 3 interconnected, yet seperate entities?

17th Angel · 08-02-2007, 03:03 PM

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Ameen to that.

So do you think that our 'souls' are the Holy Spirit? Sorry if that sounds rude, it is not meant to be. Obviously I have real trouble understanding the trinity and each person I speak to seems to explain it a slightly different way.

The trinity.. is dogma... JW's do NOT believe in a trinity.... god is god, jesus is his son and the holy spirit is the force (or hands) of god. It's all baloney anywho lol...

Tao_Equus · 08-02-2007, 03:17 PM

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The trinity.. is dogma... JW's do NOT believe in a trinity.... god is god, jesus is his son and the holy spirit is the force (or hands) of god. It's all baloney anywho lol...

17th, was it just a girl that dragged you in or are you a bit dyslexic and thot it said Jahovah, and maybe thot their ceremonies might involve pungent incense?

Tao

17th Angel · 08-02-2007, 03:23 PM

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17th, was it just a girl that dragged you in or are you a bit dyslexic and thot it said Jahovah, and maybe thot their ceremonies might involve pungent incense?

Tao

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Let's try that again in English..

Tao_Equus · 08-02-2007, 03:31 PM

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Let's try that again in English..

Ok,

17th, was it just a girl that dragged you in or are you a bit dyslexic and thot it said Jahovah, and maybe thought their ceremonies might involve pungent incense?

Tao

17th Angel · 08-02-2007, 03:32 PM

What the pluck are you on about?

Muslimwoman · 08-02-2007, 03:55 PM

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The trinity.. is dogma... JW's do NOT believe in a trinity.... god is god, jesus is his son and the holy spirit is the force (or hands) of god. It's all baloney anywho lol...

Now that is what I call a simple answer, thanks.

Love the new pic 17th.

17th Angel · 08-02-2007, 03:58 PM

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Now that is what I call a simple answer, thanks.

Love the new pic 17th.

People complicate things more than needs be, your welcome...

Oh you like Teh carr0ts!? Thanks....

Muslimwoman · 08-02-2007, 04:06 PM

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Oh you like Teh carr0ts!? Thanks....

Well I am a girlie, we just love anything cute and furry, if they are doing something comical it is a bonus.

17th Angel · 08-02-2007, 04:08 PM

I hear that. Anything else about the JW's you wanted to know? I think I would be capable of helping.

Tao_Equus · 08-02-2007, 04:21 PM

Well you told me it was a girl that you were after that led you into the JW's, if you need the rest explained its time to lay off the weed. Aint rocket science.

Tao

Muslimwoman · 08-02-2007, 04:23 PM

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I hear that. Anything else about the JW's you wanted to know? I think I would be capable of helping.

I don't really know what to ask 17th as I don't know anything about JW's beliefs, so no idea where to start. Of course the blood issue is one I fail to understand and I would like to know how much their Bible varies from the Christian one.

17th Angel · 08-02-2007, 04:39 PM

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Well you told me it was a girl that you were after that led you into the JW's, if you need the rest explained its time to lay off the weed. Aint rocket science.

Tao

Jahovah and pugnent incense? I don't get it... :|

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I don't really know what to ask 17th as I don't know anything about JW's beliefs, so no idea where to start. Of course the blood issue is one I fail to understand and I would like to know how much their Bible varies from the Christian one.

The blood thing is an interesting issue... The bible basically goes along the lines "do not take blood" as in animal blood... And it goes on (Keeping this simple for yah

) So they take that as no matter how or what they cannot take blood and there is evidence to a, certain degree to back up their way... Such as the NIH, stated that 1 in every 100 transfusions are effected by fever, chills or hives... And I think 1 in 5,000 have a serious (fatal) reaction with their red blood cell count.... The main thing is, the bible is a gift from jah as a guideline to their health and living... well being... So they take it god himself has adviced them not to partake in blood transfusion... And as this is their supreme ultra being, they do not question him. Another thing that is interesting is, if you have had blood... Notice, you cannot -give- blood?

Also there are many, many ways now that you can have an operation without the need for blood... Also another simple and basic thing... A friend's sister in the JW's was going in hospital as she was pregnant and they said to her. "I see you are a Jw and have stated you wish not to have blood." She confirmed this and they simply replied "Oh not a problem, we will just be careful then.." Is that all it really took? lol You know....

Muslimwoman · 08-02-2007, 04:55 PM

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The bible basically goes along the lines "do not take blood" as in animal blood

So why don't the Christians or Jews follow this? Can you remember where this is in the Bible?

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And as this is their supreme ultra being, they do not question him. Another thing that is interesting is, if you have had blood... Notice, you cannot -give- blood?

That is the first time I have ever heard that. I have been given loads of blood, during a major operation and have since given blood for years, no-one ever said I couldn't and when I do they never ask me if I have ever received blood.

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Also another simple and basic thing... A friend's sister in the JW's was going in hospital as she was pregnant and they said to her. "I see you are a Jw and have stated you wish not to have blood." She confirmed this and they simply replied "Oh not a problem, we will just be careful then.." Is that all it really took? lol You know....

But the operation could have gone wrong and this lady and/or her baby may have lost their lives. I think I just don't get the willingness to die, when it is not strictly necessary, it almost seems like suicide - do JW's think suicide is a sin?

Would they have even known about blood transfusion in those days? I may have to go and look that up, as I know blood letting was an issue but not sure about transfusion.

Muslimwoman · 08-02-2007, 05:02 PM

This is what I can find doing a quick search but will try to do a better search later:

1492 - Pope Innocent VIII, in Rome, had an apoplectic stroke; became weak and went into a coma. His physician advised a Blood transfusion as a therapeutic measure for the Pope's illness. Employing crude methods, the Pope did not benefit and died by the end of that year.

The first historical attempt at blood transfusion was described by the 15th-century chronicler Stefano Infessura. Infessura relates that, in 1492, as Pope Innocent VIII sank into a coma, the blood of three boys was infused into the dying pontiff (through the mouth, as the concept of circulation and methods for intravenous access did not exist at that time) at the suggestion of a physician.

So how does this fit in with Bible teachings?