Who control the world ?

[I, Brian]

There's a mason club just up the road from me actually - or at least, there's a building set on a main road just outside the town center, with a big white board outside that says something on the lines of "Masonic Lodge". Not a good cover for an apparently secret organisation.

[mahogan]

It's less of an issue now than it was but until the 1980's, a large number of senior civil servant in the UK had some link with the Masons (Check the newspaper web pages for the period), also look up P9 and the hanging of the 'Banker to the Vatican' under Blackfrias' Bridge in London. Of course, they continue to be significant in many countries (less in France and Germany, where they have legislation against affiliations for public servants).

The Masons are a very large organisation, something a little more than a social club but their influence is because of money more than anything else.

Anyone who has tried to organise an international or even other than very local event will kow how difficult co-ordinating things can be to sort out, so I hold that the global domination thing is just not what humans are good at - for Masons, Jews, or 'terrorists'.

Isn't global domination theories just something for those who don't believe in God to hang on to? There has to be a power out there somewhere ?

[Steve12345]

Brian:---

The terminology can be a little confusing. While referrnig to "the Masons" as a club is essentially correct the word doesn't carry the complete meeting. Masons meet in groups called "lodges." A lodge meets in a building typically called a Masonic "hall" or "temple." Nope, not a secret organization at all. Or at least no more secret than any other fraternity.

Mahogan:--

The "issue" over the masons is a non-starter. A large number of civil servants in the UK were also "men," "protestants," lived in "houses," etc., etc., etc. Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies. Realists see reality.

The P9 group was a problem simply because they departed so drasitcally from the basic teachings of the masons with regard to their civil duties. Those teachings state, and I qoute, "In the state you are to be a quiet and peacable citizen, true to your government and just to your country. You are not to countenance disloyalty or rebellion but patiently submit to legal authority and confirm with cheerfulness to the government of the country in which you live." In the U.S. masons who are citizens of the U.S. say the Pledge of Allegience at every meeting. I doubt that it is heard much elsewhere.

Masonic "money influence" is non-existent except in terms of the charities that receive the money, such as the Shriner's Burns Institutes and Hospitals for Crippled Children.

You sum it up nicely with, "Isn't global domination theories just something for those who don't believe in God to hang on to?" For a bunch of guys who cannot even properly set up an after-the-meeting catered lunch to be taking over the world is quite a stretch. There's a lot of reliable info about the masons at http://www.masonicinfo.com - check it out.

[mahogan]

[quote]The "issue" over the masons is a non-starter. A large number of civil servants in the UK were also "men," "protestants," lived in "houses," etc., etc., etc. Conspiracy theorists see conspiracies. Realists see reality.[ENDQUOTE]

This is true and in some respects, being a Mason can be considered to be the same as being in a golf club - you can't get promotion unless you are in one. In a democracy, this should not be so. Also, he the P9 lodge was out of control but it was not the Masons who resolved the problems.

The Masons get a worse press than they deserve now though; there was a shake up in many countries during the 1970's and 1980's and it was just that group but the Mafia, various left and right wing political groups that had to change their ways.

Believe in conspiracy, it keeps you on your toes.

[Steve12345]

Originally Posted by mahogan

This is true and in some respects, being a Mason can be considered to be the same as being in a golf club - you can't get promotion unless you are in one. In a democracy, this should not be so. Also, he the P9 lodge was out of control but it was not the Masons who resolved the problems.

I don't know any mason who got a job or a promotion because he was a mason. I do know lots of masons, however, who were denied a job or a promotion because they were not the best person for that job or promotion.

[Friend]

Information about Masons
-Masonry is a quite, semi-secret organization that has had more of an impact on the countries than people realize. The Boston Tea Party was planned at a Masonic lodge. When the British responded, Masons who patriotically banded together to fight them included Paul Revere, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Benedict Arnold, Samual Adam, John Hancock, and Joseph Warren. Andrew Johnson was a mason. In 1991, not only were Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, and 14 other presidents masons, but 18 out of 100 senators (including Jesse Helms), 60 men in the house, and 41 men on the federal Judiciary Committee were masons. The buildings in Washington D.C. were laid out in Masonic symbols, and many of the buildings have Masonic inscriptions.

- Not everyone was enamored with masons however, William Morgan, a former 30-year mason, published on expose in 1827. He was kidnapped and killed. Famous preachers stood up against masonry, including John Wesley, D.L. Moody, Alexander Campbell, Charles Finney, and R.A. Torrey. Other famous people against masonry include Daniel Webster, Wendall Phllips, Charles Sumner, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison. Chief Justice Charles Marshall was against masonry. This is understandable, since masonry teaches that if you are on a jury in a trial of a mason, if the mason flashes the "Masonic distress call", you are to vote him not guilty.

- In 1904 Mark Credo Rassambo, a Freemason said before a packed audience: "Freemasonry has worked in a hidden but constant manner to prepare the revolution. We are then in complete agreement that the Freemasonry was the only author of the revolution & the applause that I receive from the left & to which I am little accustomed approves gentlemen that you have to acknowledge with me that it was Freemasonry which made the French Revolution."

THE AMERICAN WAR OF INDEPENDENCE When the so-called founding fathers of America landed in this new born land America, not only did they bring with them disfranchise people, they also bring the Freemasonic elements of Europe. The injustices which fathers of America were escaping from in Europe were also to be found in this new land in the form of Tyrannical British regime at that time . In order to gain complete dominance of the new state, the Masons used the same methods they had used to gain control over France. Although the British Monarchy was run by Masons, the American War of Independence was a necessary action & the people involved in the war were expendable to Masons to fulfill their dream. Emotions of the people were manipulated into anger & just like France, anger turned into war. This time however previous mistakes would not be repeated . Any forthcoming leaders of the resistance must follow the Masonic agenda. The best way to do this was to ensure that the leader himself was a Mason & the leader who took war to the British, was none other than George Washington. On the 4th of July 1776, the declaration of Independence was made. On 17th of October 1781, the British were finally defeated & surrendered the Colonies to the American & the world first Masonic state was borned , a nation that would represent Masonry in every way. A sign of the Masonic presence in America is plainly visible on the dollar bill. which carries a picture of George Washington, the first Freemasonic president in the world & the picture of the Freemasonic symbol so-called "All-Seeing One Eye".

- Evidence of Masons effect came also at the middle of 1990's from England. Lord Nolan was appointed by the Prime Minister John Major in 1994 to lead a Committee on Standards in Public Life to investigate allegations of corruption in British politics. Realizing that Masons were at the center of the allegations, he decided to focus on their involvement in politics. The newspaper Independent's 21st January 1995 issue gave it a headline article, launching an inquiry into Freemasonry for the first time in British history. It reported that the Masons were an organization 300,000 strong, represented at the top of the police force, in the government, the House of Lords, the high court, banking, the boardrooms of the largest companies and every part of the establishment .

-finally ,Masons must swear a number of secret oaths. In addition, many of the oaths members have sworn include consenting to have their throats cut, if they break their oath and reveal the secrets.


thanks

[Jack Halyard]

Originally Posted by KnightoftheRose

Pretty much anyone of any faith can join, so long as they are invited to join by a member.

If one wishes to become a Freemason, one must ask to become one. Membership is not extended by invitation.

[InLove]

Hi, J.H.,

There is much lore associated with the Freemasons, and I think that is what troubles many people. For certain, I see the results of their charity--anyone who denies this has not really done the research. And charity is the greatest ingredient of faith, if I recall N.T. Scripture correctly (13th chapter of Corinthians, I believe--classic Christian portrait of love).

But there are intelligent people who report other things about the institution. I have never personally been able to verify anything--and there are reasons for that--but is it possible that, like any other thing on this earth, there are those who *******ize a legitimate and loving thing for their own gain? Why else would all these stories float around?

This is an issue that has concerned me for a while now, because I have researched everything I can about the Freemasons, and have found nothing to support the disturbing accounts I have received from some very earnest, sincere, and intelligent sources.

InPeace,
InLove

[I, Brian]

Who controls the world?

We do.

But most of the time, we let other people do it for us.

2c.

[InLove]

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The Masons get a worse press than they deserve now though;


The masons get press?

Sorry--but I had to ask--

InLove,
InPeace

[Jack Halyard]

For years now certain groups have been targeted as those who pull the strings behind the scenes from the Freemasons all the way to the Vatican. The Council on Foreign Relations, The Tri-Lateral Commision and the Bilderburg Group are all high on these conspiracy lists. Who knows?

[I, Brian]

Certainly there are groups who have self interest - particularly groups looking to protect their economic interests and expand upon them. But arguing that these exist, as opposed to a cleanly executed conspiracy controlling all world events, are different matters.