who is the word

[mee]

Originally Posted by Silas

God is truine; not three Gods making up one, but ONE God in essence who has three seperate persons.

no bible verse for this teaching and Jesus didnt teach that either so i will forget that one and stick to the bible .psalm 83;18 John 3;16

[Silas]

Originally Posted by mee

no bible verse for this teaching and Jesus didnt teach that either so i will forget that one and stick to the bible .psalm 83;18 John 3;16

Great! Stick to the Bible and explain the following verses. Notice the plurality in them:

"‘I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. ‘I [Jehovah] overthrew you as God [Elohim] overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah...'" - Amos 4:10-11

The "I" in that verse is Jehovah. Notice it says Jehovah overthrew as "God" overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah." Are there two Gods Mee?

"Then the LORD [Jehovah] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD [Jehovah] out of heaven." - Gen 19:24

Notice how the LORD (speaking of Jehovah) rained down "from" the LORD. Do you see pluraity there? I do.

"Thus says the LORD [Jehovah], the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD [Jehovah] of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God [Elohim] besides me...‘" Isa 44:6

Notice the word "and" there. There's a distintion there. Remember Jesus' words Mee, "If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins." That ought to scare you.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Silas

Great! Stick to the Bible and explain the following verses. Notice the plurality in them:

"‘I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. ‘I [Jehovah] overthrew you as God [Elohim] overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah...'" - Amos 4:10-11

The "I" in that verse is Jehovah. Notice it says Jehovah overthrew as "God" overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah." Are there two Gods Mee?

"Then the LORD [Jehovah] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD [Jehovah] out of heaven." - Gen 19:24

Notice how the LORD (speaking of Jehovah) rained down "from" the LORD. Do you see pluraity there? I do.

"Thus says the LORD [Jehovah], the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD [Jehovah] of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God [Elohim] besides me...‘" Isa 44:6

Notice the word "and" there. There's a distintion there. Remember Jesus' words Mee, "If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins." That ought to scare you.

yes Jehovah has great power and he can overthrow whom ever he wants , and he has , as the verses you quoted make known . and there is no God like him is there.

[Silas]

Originally Posted by mee

yes Jehovah has great power and he can overthrow whom ever he wants , and he has , as the verses you quoted make known . and there is no God like him is there.

You didnt address any of the questions I had. I'll repost it:

Great! Stick to the Bible and explain the following verses. Notice the plurality in them:

"‘I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. ‘I [Jehovah] overthrew you as God [Elohim] overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah...'" - Amos 4:10-11

The "I" in that verse is Jehovah. Notice it says Jehovah overthrew as "God" overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah." Are there two Gods Mee?

"Then the LORD [Jehovah] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD [Jehovah] out of heaven." - Gen 19:24

Notice how the LORD (speaking of Jehovah) rained down "from" the LORD. Do you see pluraity there? I do.

"Thus says the LORD [Jehovah], the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD [Jehovah] of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God [Elohim] besides me...‘" Isa 44:6

Notice the word "and" there. There's a distintion there. Remember Jesus' words Mee, "If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins." That ought to scare you.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Silas

You didnt address any of the questions I had. I'll repost it:

Great! Stick to the Bible and explain the following verses. Notice the plurality in them:

"‘I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. ‘I [Jehovah] overthrew you as God [Elohim] overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah...'" - Amos 4:10-11

The "I" in that verse is Jehovah. Notice it says Jehovah overthrew as "God" overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah." Are there two Gods Mee?

"Then the LORD [Jehovah] rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD [Jehovah] out of heaven." - Gen 19:24

Notice how the LORD (speaking of Jehovah) rained down "from" the LORD. Do you see pluraity there? I do.

"Thus says the LORD [Jehovah], the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD [Jehovah] of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God [Elohim] besides me...‘" Isa 44:6

Notice the word "and" there. There's a distintion there. Remember Jesus' words Mee, "If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins." That ought to scare you.

—who and what he is—are fully summed up and expressed only in this personal name.—Ps 83:18.(he causes to become ) i am afraid there is only one true God , trying to prove otherwise is of no use at all .

[Silas]

Originally Posted by mee

—who and what he is—are fully summed up and expressed only in this personal name.—Ps 83:18.(he causes to become ) i am afraid there is only one true God , trying to prove otherwise is of no use at all .

You still didnt address anything I said in the last couple of posts. Lets stick with the postsed scritpures. Do you see pularity in them or no? I'll post one again (again).


"‘I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. ‘I [Jehovah] overthrew you as God [Elohim] overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah...'" - Amos 4:10-11

The "I" in that verse is Jehovah. Notice it says Jehovah overthrew as "God" overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah." Are there two Gods Mee?

[inhumility]

Originally Posted by mee

Who

Was "the Word"?

what about John 1:1, which says in the King James Version: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"? John 1:14

This is the problem of not having the original revelation in the original language which in case of NTBible should have been Hebrew or Aramaic, the language which JesusYeshuaIssa and his mother spoke. Our Christian friends relying on in fact translations from the original language, and then thinking on them intently treating those translations as if they were the originals, create difficulties for them and often they can’t get anything substantial from them. Well it is there right to do whatever they want with their holy books and base their beliefs on whatever they like; I am nobody to criticize them.
Arabic is a sister language of the Hebrew/Aramaic, it might be of interest for the members that this subject has been discussed by Quran in detail; but I would mention it in brief here:

[3:46] When the angels said, 'O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a son through a Word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God; [3:47] 'And he shall speak to the people in the cradle, and when of middle age, and he shall be of the righteous. [3:48] She said, 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me? He said, 'Such is the way of Allah. He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, 'Be,' and it is;' [3:49] "And He will teach him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel;

[4:172] O People of the Book! exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah, and a fulfilment of His word which He has sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not, 'They are three.' Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Holy is He, far above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a guardian. [4:173] Surely, the Messiah disdains not to be a servant of Allah, nor do the angels who are near to Him, and whoso disdains to worship Him and is proud, He will gather them all to Himself. The Urdu Catholic Christian Bible and the Urdu Protestant Christian Bible both have translated the word " Word" in Urdu as in Arabic as Kalimah, which has been used in Quran and translated in English as "Word" and enboldened by me. I think the matter becomes clear that it was a glad tiding of birth of a son to Mary, which did happen accordingly. This word has been used for his cousin John the Baptist also and for many others in Quran. This is in short.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islma

[mee]

[quote=Silas;90226]You didnt address any of the questions I had. I'll repost it:

Great! Stick to the Bible and explain the following verses. Notice the plurality in them:

"‘I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. ‘I [Jehovah] overthrew you as God [Elohim] overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah...'" - Amos 4:10-11

The "I" in that verse is Jehovah. Notice it says Jehovah overthrew as "God" overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah." Are there two Gods Mee?

quote]
Then Jehovah made it rain sulphur and fire from Jehovah, from the heavens, upon Sod´om and upon Go·mor´rahGenesis 18;24 there is ony one true God and that is Jehovah

[mee]

Originally Posted by Silas

You still didnt address anything I said in the last couple of posts. Lets stick with the postsed scritpures. Do you see pularity in them or no? I'll post one again (again).


"‘I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. ‘I [Jehovah] overthrew you as God [Elohim] overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah...'" - Amos 4:10-11

The "I" in that verse is Jehovah. Notice it says Jehovah overthrew as "God" overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah." Are there two Gods Mee?

Then Jehovah made it rain sulphur and fire from Jehovah, from the heavens, upon Sod´om and upon Go·mor´rah Genesis 18;24seems it was Jehovah

[Silas]

Originally Posted by mee

Then Jehovah made it rain sulphur and fire from Jehovah, from the heavens, upon Sod´om and upon Go·mor´rah Genesis 18;24seems it was Jehovah

Jesus said, "If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins." God sins mee? Please make sure you believe in the right Jesus. I'll be honest with you man: You have a different Jesus than the one the Bible displays. If you dont have the Son, you dont have the Father that sent Him. Your god is an idol mee. If you choose to believe a lie and supress the truth in unrighteousness, God will give you over to a depraved mind whereby you will believe the lie. I implore you to read the Bible without your JW presuppossition and let it [the Bible] speak for itself. Read a respected version like the KJV and not your JW bible.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by inhumility

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This is the problem of not having the original revelation in the original language which in case of NTBible should have been Hebrew or Aramaic, the language which JesusYeshuaIssa and his mother spoke. Our Christian friends relying on in fact translations from the original language, and then thinking on them intently treating those translations as if they were the originals, create difficulties for them and often they can’t get anything substantial from them. Well it is there right to do whatever they want with their holy books and base their beliefs on whatever they like; I am nobody to criticize them.
Arabic is a sister language of the Hebrew/Aramaic, it might be of interest for the members that this subject has been discussed by Quran in detail; but I would mention it in brief here:

[3:46] When the angels said, 'O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a son through a Word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God; [3:47] 'And he shall speak to the people in the cradle, and when of middle age, and he shall be of the righteous. [3:48] She said, 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me? He said, 'Such is the way of Allah. He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, 'Be,' and it is;' [3:49] "And He will teach him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel;

[4:172] O People of the Book! exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah, and a fulfilment of His word which He has sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not, 'They are three.' Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Holy is He, far above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a guardian. [4:173] Surely, the Messiah disdains not to be a servant of Allah, nor do the angels who are near to Him, and whoso disdains to worship Him and is proud, He will gather them all to Himself. The Urdu Catholic Christian Bible and the Urdu Protestant Christian Bible both have translated the word " Word" in Urdu as in Arabic as Kalimah, which has been used in Quran and translated in English as "Word" and enboldened by me. I think the matter becomes clear that it was a glad tiding of birth of a son to Mary, which did happen accordingly. This word has been used for his cousin John the Baptist also and for many others in Quran. This is in short.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi - a peaceful faith in Islma

The irony here is from one who claims to believe in Jesus, then turns away from Him...

v/r

Joshua

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Silas

Jesus said, "If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins." God sins mee? Please make sure you believe in the right Jesus. I'll be honest with you man: You have a different Jesus than the one the Bible displays. If you dont have the Son, you dont have the Father that sent Him. Your god is an idol mee. If you choose to believe a lie and supress the truth in unrighteousness, God will give you over to a depraved mind whereby you will believe the lie. I implore you to read the Bible without your JW presuppossition and let it [the Bible] speak for itself. Read a respected version like the KJV and not your JW bible.

Hard to tell someone what to do, if you've never walked in their shoes...

v/r

Joshua

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Hard to tell someone what to do, if you've never walked in their shoes...

v/r

Joshua

Not really. I think its easy to tell someone what to do. Telling someone what to do and you yourself doing it too is what is hard, I think! All that said, Mee needs to repent and trust in the right Jesus or remain and idol worshiper.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Silas

Not really. I think its easy to tell someone what to do. Telling someone what to do and you yourself doing it too is what is hard, I think! All that said, Mee needs to repent and trust in the right Jesus or remain and idol worshiper.

No, you didn't get it. Hard to walk in some one else's shoes. Easier to tell them what to do, than WALK in their SHOES.

You try. You wouldn't survive a 100 yards. Either you are young, or just plain ignorant. Because you do not have a clue about the hard facts of life, and trying to catch those that are seasoned, seems to escape you...

You aren't catching any flies with the "honey" you are presenting. Indeed it stinks of vinegar...

[mee]

Originally Posted by Silas

Not really. I think its easy to tell someone what to do. Telling someone what to do and you yourself doing it too is what is hard, I think! All that said, Mee needs to repent and trust in the right Jesus or remain and idol worshiper.

there is only one Jesus John 3;16-17
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.