Why are both Pi and Phi so unique?

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Actually, wil, neither pi nor phi cannot be expressed as a simple fraction (ratio,) so it would not matter whether you were using a base 10 system, a base 2 system, a base 12 system, or any other base system, they would both still be irrational numbers.

Yeh!! I said that too...even if it doesnt sound like it

[Bishadi]

Some people can keep a clear perspective and simply register and acknowledge facts......... and some can't.....

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Some people can keep a clear perspective and simply register and acknowledge facts......... and some can't.....

That pesky irrationality that pervades everything can be a stumbling block for many. **shrugs**

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Some people can keep a clear perspective and simply register and acknowledge facts......... and some can't.....

It can also be fun to play around with them, assemble them in different ways and see what happens. As long as you dont take yourself too seriously no harm done.

Tao

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

It can also be fun to play around with them, assemble them in different ways and see what happens. As long as you dont take yourself too seriously no harm done.

Tao

Sorry, but each and every moment I know breathing is a serious matter of responsibility.

What you are reading are not guestimates! It's all material checked and rechecked from over 25 years of selfless commitment to real math, real science and definitely the humblest commitment to integrity any could assume possible. All this has been questioned and requestioned for as long as I can remember.....

if it was not true, I would not write it. And if i am suggesting an opinion I state it; if I am in error, I claim it.... remember we are each responsible to every action but still human and if there was even a lick of doubt, I would be checking it right now!

[wil]

I need explanation...

How is Pi 3.141...in binary?

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by wil

I need explanation...

How is Pi 3.141...in binary?

11. 00100100 00111111 01101010 10001000 10000101 10100011 00001000 11010011.....

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

11. 00100100 00111111 01101010 10001000 10000101 10100011 00001000 11010011.....

Now that i could not write :P

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Now that i could not write :P

but hang on, the so called 'intellectual community' suggests that is how our brain works...... 01010101010101010 input binary on and off switching within the neuron network

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Mathemagician. I think thats maybe where you go wrong cyber buddy. You have a bee in your bonnet about logical hypotheticals being used as the working basis for calculations. Even using whole numbers, if you use the pedantic reasoning you display, we discover that to measure two wholes of anything down to the quantum level and they will never be exactly equal. So in fact there is no such thing as a rational number. But you dont need such pedantry to make calculations that hold true in observable phenomena. More often than not approximations are perfectly adequate for both prediction and observation. The beauty of the irrational numbers we discuss is how they keep cropping up in nature, not just in circles, and that no matter how far into them we look no set or predictable pattern emerges. I am no mathematician but a random toy with my calculator shows me it is not that easy to divide one number by another and get an apparently infinite unpredictability. Usually some pattern emerges quite quickly. That we find this infinite unpredictability in a ratio that crops up throughout nature is the curiosity and reminds us that some puzzles are infinite and will never be answered. Just as mysterious to me as why anyone could believe in supernatural all seeing beings or santa claus

tao

Good point, whole numbers are suspect too... at least the units that get assigned to them. Like all numbers Pi is predictable... at least for the individuals willing to calculate it. Just because there is entropy or information in a number doesn't mean it is not predictable.

To me God is more real than the math. I don't know the makeup of this foreign world that is able to move things around in this Universe, but I recognize that it is more real and tangible than the model you or I try to express with words of this Universe. I think of it this way... you know that history gets lost. Information is seemingly somehow lost and destroyed forever. Where does it go? If you don't make a record or take a picture then it is not recorded and even if you do the record will still fade and lose its context sooner or later. It is like a black hole all around us... memory fades and the truth of the history gets lost permanently. However I found that it is a double door. Information is also pouring into this Universe. Just as it pours out and we don't know where it goes, information and control is pouring in and we don't know where it comes from.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Sorry, but each and every moment I know breathing is a serious matter of responsibility.

What you are reading are not guestimates! It's all material checked and rechecked from over 25 years of selfless commitment to real math, real science and definitely the humblest commitment to integrity any could assume possible. All this has been questioned and requestioned for as long as I can remember.....

if it was not true, I would not write it. And if i am suggesting an opinion I state it; if I am in error, I claim it.... remember we are each responsible to every action but still human and if there was even a lick of doubt, I would be checking it right now!

I would not call into question your own integrity on what you state to be true. It is apparent to me that you have a depth of study that by far exceeds mine and what I said was meant as a general idea not some side swipe on you. I do not have a good education and have learned what i know just from reading the stuff published for the non specialist, so forgive me if my questions are sometimes naive or built on erroneous assumptions. Where they are I will take no offence at correction but some explanation as to why would be appreciated. For you just to pump out what you know without making it comprehensible to those with which you communicate is not communication but masturbation. So please, have patience...and explain.

tao

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Good point, whole numbers are suspect too... at least the units that get assigned to them. Like all numbers Pi is predictable... at least for the individuals willing to calculate it. Just because there is entropy or information in a number doesn't mean it is not predictable.

To me God is more real than the math. I don't know the makeup of this foreign world that is able to move things around in this Universe, but I recognize that it is more real and tangible than the model you or I try to express with words of this Universe. I think of it this way... you know that history gets lost. Information is seemingly somehow lost and destroyed forever. Where does it go? If you don't make a record or take a picture then it is not recorded and even if you do the record will still fade and lose its context sooner or later. It is like a black hole all around us... memory fades and the truth of the history gets lost permanently. However I found that it is a double door. Information is also pouring into this Universe. Just as it pours out and we don't know where it goes, information and control is pouring in and we don't know where it comes from.

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[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

but hang on, the so called 'intellectual community' suggests that is how our brain works...... 01010101010101010 input binary on and off switching within the neuron network

Do they? I was just reading about lipid bilayers, for some curious reason, and from that it seems to me that the scientific community believes chemical signatures are equally important in all cellular function. There was certainly no mention of a special case for brain cells.

Tao

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I would not call into question your own integrity on what you state to be true. It is apparent to me that you have a depth of study that by far exceeds mine and what I said was meant as a general idea not some side swipe on you. I do not have a good education and have learned what i know just from reading the stuff published for the non specialist, so forgive me if my questions are sometimes naive or built on erroneous assumptions. Where they are I will take no offence at correction but some explanation as to why would be appreciated. For you just to pump out what you know without making it comprehensible to those with which you communicate is not communication but masturbation. So please, have patience...and explain.

tao

My friend of kindness, if I could put into words what the math shares, the final book "Understanding" would already be on the shelves.

This is that final frontier! and I am learning how to communicate..

please be patient and know, someone is really really really trying to bring the knowledge to the fore-front.....

please ask the questions you feel need to be answered and maybe what you share may be the right question to allow the words to find print.

Me as an 'I' is a nobody, it is the knowledge that matters..... as I would gladly cut off an arm, to give what has been learned so the our future has a real chance.

[Tao_Equus]

Thank you. I like what you have to say and look forward to hearing more

Tao